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On 4/4/2021 at 6:50 PM, blaaacdoommmmfan said:

Jason Becker from cocophony is absolutely amazing shredder.  I've heard lots of  others praise his playing so it's not just me. Plus such a short guitar career after als stopped him short. So sad. Could he have got even better. 

 

blackdoomfan, I usually agree with your posts and tastes in metal, we like the same stuff, and Becker is both tragic and amazing 😃 BUT! I wont do this lol. As a guitar player we always kind of say no one is better, we are all different. But when it comes to Becker, Malmsteen, Vai, Asahi. it is bs, they are better. But they cant write a song like Cannibal Corpse or even The Misfits can usually. Better to shred or be able to write the super simple stupid power chord riffs that my 4 year old niece can play? Sometimes simple is better, cooler, more fun. Death invented some song writing structures that are solidly in place in 2021 recordings. Mustaine should get a lot of credit for songwriting, leads. rhythm. singing, and basically willing his style of minor writing into existance and getting it on the radio when no one played metal

So it is better to be an athletic type shredder, that literally is above everyone else physically? Or be able to write a riff that will make 80,000 people at a festival bounce like one gigantic wild animal?

I cant listen to an hour long becker album, it is all speed metal solos, i respect it. It took me 20 years to even do some of his stuff on guitar...but lets hear Obituary - Cause of Death album through one more time!

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Living or dead, that's the question?

I don't know if Pantera counts as extreme metal but I think Dimebag was extraordinarily talented; crunchy, big fat riffs and most of all groovy, coupled with shredding, melodic and memorable licks and solos.

As for living, I think an unsung hero that has written countless great songs; both rhythm and lead work, is Andreas Björler of At the gates, The Haunted and as a solo artist. The same could be said for his comrade Jensen (Seance, Witchery, The Haunted). As for pure talent, Per Nilsson of Scar Symmetry is mindblowing to watch live. The man filled in for Fredrik Thordendal in Meshuggah, that should tell you how good he is.

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Nocturno Culto is the greatest riff machine since Tony Iommi, he's been churning them out for over 30 years. I'm sure he has a thousand more riffs where those came from too. That's all I really care about guitar players anyway besides tone. Lots of talented guitar players to be found in extreme metal because that's where talented guitar players are drawn to nowadays. But technical fretboard proficiency and prowess is not something I actualy care about or concern myself with. Playing lots of notes or making discordant/atonal noise that's mathematically correct doesn't impress me. I just want the cool riffs in 4/4 that make my head bang.

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On 6/7/2021 at 2:20 PM, AngryWolf said:

blackdoomfan, I usually agree with your posts and tastes in metal, we like the same stuff, and Becker is both tragic and amazing 😃 BUT! I wont do this lol. As a guitar player we always kind of say no one is better, we are all different. But when it comes to Becker, Malmsteen, Vai, Asahi. it is bs, they are better. But they cant write a song like Cannibal Corpse or even The Misfits can usually. Better to shred or be able to write the super simple stupid power chord riffs that my 4 year old niece can play? Sometimes simple is better, cooler, more fun. Death invented some song writing structures that are solidly in place in 2021 recordings. Mustaine should get a lot of credit for songwriting, leads. rhythm. singing, and basically willing his style of minor writing into existance and getting it on the radio when no one played metal

So it is better to be an athletic type shredder, that literally is above everyone else physically? Or be able to write a riff that will make 80,000 people at a festival bounce like one gigantic wild animal?

I cant listen to an hour long becker album, it is all speed metal solos, i respect it. It took me 20 years to even do some of his stuff on guitar...but lets hear Obituary - Cause of Death album through one more time!

yeah we probably do have similar tastes in music then, we only like the best👏👏 tbh my music tastes are so eclectic its good to hear others like similar music. i was considering changing my name to lone metal ranger 😁 out of interest whats genres of metal are your favourite

 

tbh i listen to becker albums and i really like the music for 5 mins😁, all the athletic playing, friedman and becker,very impressive but collectively its not imo fantastic listen, then i put some thing else on,😂 obituary would be one band,hole in one you got there i agree with what your saying, whilst imo  obituary is not quite as good technically there more fun to listen to. mind you there no slouches technique wise, 

becker is the best technical player imo anyway ive seen, even if the music is as far as im concerned not the best, 

its amazing hes still composing, imo its not metal from what ive heard so far but i like it, ive no idea how he does it now, he used to compose with chin movements and computer software, very inspiring, 

 

 

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Jason Becker - Valley Of Fire (Official Music Video)

This is an example of the music Becker is doing now.

I like so many styles of music never mind just metal. But GWAR, Tool, Sabbath, Exodus, Steel Panther. Black Flag, Pantera, Mr. Bungle, Dillinger Escape Plan, Vai, Dream Theatre, Cannibal Corpse, Meshuggah, Ill headbang to Metal Church Or some Skid Row, All the way to the Dead Kennedies to Dababy to the Gratefull Dead to Weezer and then back to playing along with Reign in Blood again just for fun.

 

I try to give all music an honest chance so I dont miss something i like

 

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