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We know that there was a time when "hard rock" = "heavy metal" ... or whatever. The lines were blurred. Black Sabbath, although being credited as the founders of heavy metal, vehemently denies having ever had anything to do with any of that ... which of course is what Shakespeare was talking about with his "the lady protests too much". In practical terms, hard rock and heavy metal are the same. But you should probably respect the owners of the actual music. I don't know. It seems reasonable to me.

What we do know is that the times changed in 1980, when MTV and all that came to be. Metal was born at the same time. Coincidence? I think probably not. Our genre of music is very very commercial.

 

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For whatever reason the establishment record companies, MTV, big FM stations etc decided to push rap and soft rock only in the mid 90s with the only exception being rap influenced numetal. Even metalcore in the 2000s only got MTV play on one show HBB and of course Uranium, and even that they were kind of forced to because of their competition Fuse had the Uranium show a few years prior to the new HBB and MTV was becoming irrelevant. They were forced to do that by upstart competition, not a conscience decision they wanted.

I think by Slipknot's new album being number 1 this year its blatantly obvious that people want something heavy on radio but the powers that be want to ignore us. Some of the biggest festivals across America and Europe every year are either metal or have a few metal/hard rock acts on a mixed bill. People want it, it makes money, sells tickets, t-shirts etc.

If you want soft poppy music, there is no shortage in the mainstream as far as aggressive/more masculine music only rap is promoted and there are a whole lot of people who want something like that but want an alternative to just rap. That isn't going to go away. There will always be those who want something different than just the choices in front of them.

You can't believe how many people are into this stuff. I think its far more massive than we all think. For every guy that wears metal shirts every day I'd say there are at least 10 who don't and are into this stuff just as  much as the rest of us. Plus how many music fans are there that like a little of everything (including metal)? Metal is still huge, it's just not on TV anymore.

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I sometimes think that for me the difference between hard rock and heavy metal has a lot to do with subject matter.  Dio wrote songs about demons and stuff (heavy metal); Scorpions wrote songs about chasing girls (hard rock).

I believe that heavy metal means cars and motorbikes, and Julia Roberts uses the term with that meaning in Pretty Woman.  Maybe heavy metal music was originally deemed to be music aimed at bikers.

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On 2/21/2020 at 11:50 AM, GothExplorer said:

I sometimes think that for me the difference between hard rock and heavy metal has a lot to do with subject matter.  Dio wrote songs about demons and stuff (heavy metal); Scorpions wrote songs about chasing girls (hard rock).

I believe that heavy metal means cars and motorbikes, and Julia Roberts uses the term with that meaning in Pretty Woman.  Maybe heavy metal music was originally deemed to be music aimed at bikers.

Perhaps specific sub-styles have these thematic tendencies, but I would argue that metal is too diverse for this to apply generally to the style as a whole.  There are metal songs about chasing girls, just as there are some Satanic rock bands.

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On 2/21/2020 at 11:20 PM, GothExplorer said:

I sometimes think that for me the difference between hard rock and heavy metal has a lot to do with subject matter.  Dio wrote songs about demons and stuff (heavy metal); Scorpions wrote songs about chasing girls (hard rock).

I believe that heavy metal means cars and motorbikes, and Julia Roberts uses the term with that meaning in Pretty Woman.  Maybe heavy metal music was originally deemed to be music aimed at bikers.

'Lyrics'
Im pretty sure that manowar is metal, then lemme take you to one of their lyrics : Fast taker - Manowar :

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Only sixteen
a woman not a girl
Old enough
For a trip around the world
Pick you up on Friday
When daddy goes to sleep
Bring you back on Sunday
When he's watching "Billy Graham" on T.V.

and then here's some pink floyd:

Quote
Down, down
Down, down
The star is screaming
Beneath the lies
Lie, lie
Tschay, tschay, tschay
Careful, careful, careful with that axe, Eugene

 

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