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Computer-generated Black Metal?

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I just found this today, and thought I would share it.  Some scientists created an AI that can create music after analyzing albums.  It is an interesting concept and the music is not that bad (apart from the vocals, which are horrible).  Nevertheless, it is slightly disturbing that computers are able to do so much.  What do you all think of this?

http://exclaim.ca/music/article/listen_to_a_black_metal_album_created_by_an_artificial_intelligence_neural_network

https://dadabots.bandcamp.com/album/coditany-of-timeness

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I read about this the other day and posted it elsewhere. It's pretty meandering and hollow, and while I'm sure it could be developed and improved, I don't think it can ever compare to what a human can write when raw emotion is poured into it.

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It's not the simple of existence of sound that is important in black metal, it's the fact that it is the embodiment of a certain set of human instincts; the pain, awe and majesty of life and death that makes black metal great.

It's much more than just some fuzzy guitars and a drum sequence that a computer can concoct, at least in my mind. 

Like any great art, I admire it because it's an expression of someone's soul. Even if I can't tell the aural difference between an AI track and a human track, the philosophy counts for a lot in my opinion. 

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10 hours ago, Requiem said:

Even if I can't tell the aural difference between an AI track and a human track, the philosophy counts for a lot in my opinion. 

This is a really interesting point.  If you were to hear an AI generated track (without knowing it), and found yourself enjoying it greatly, would you like it less if you learned that it was not created by humans?

On 6/18/2018 at 1:18 AM, Ikard said:

Lmao. Cage free, organic, free range Black Metal.

You mean hipster black metal?

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5 hours ago, Balor said:

This is a really interesting point.  If you were to hear an AI generated track (without knowing it), and found yourself enjoying it greatly, would you like it less if you learned that it was not created by humans?

You mean hipster black metal?

Yeah exactly. 

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11 hours ago, Balor said:

This is a really interesting point.  If you were to hear an AI generated track (without knowing it), and found yourself enjoying it greatly, would you like it less if you learned that it was not created by humans?

While it’s always a dangerous thing to base your musical enjoyment on context, yeah I think I would like it less.

Even if it was the greatest black metal anthem of all time, if it was made purely by a computer I’d smash the computer with firebrands of hell. 

Like the difference between receiving a handwritten card or a Hallmark card. Both may have the same sentiment - the Hallmark card might even be more poetic or well presented - but an authentic thanks/I love you from a human is infinitely more meaning full than the Hallmark card. 

I’d rather listen to human imperfection than machine created perfection, in black metal especially. 

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12 hours ago, Requiem said:

While it’s always a dangerous thing to base your musical enjoyment on context, yeah I think I would like it less.

Even if it was the greatest black metal anthem of all time, if it was made purely by a computer I’d smash the computer with firebrands of hell. 

Like the difference between receiving a handwritten card or a Hallmark card. Both may have the same sentiment - the Hallmark card might even be more poetic or well presented - but an authentic thanks/I love you from a human is infinitely more meaning full than the Hallmark card. 

I’d rather listen to human imperfection than machine created perfection, in black metal especially. 

That reminds me of some Burzum interviews that I have read in which Varg stated that he deliberately allowed for some mistakes to be left in his songs (there is a very noticeable one in "Tomhet").  He thought that it made them seem more real and "human."  I think that we all want the things that we enjoy to have some sort of genuine meaning.  At this time, I think that it is impossible for a machine to generate anything with such significance.

I imagine that some time in the future of music (and likely metal as well) there will be a split between those who support computer generated music and those that do not.  Much like the animosity to the sterile tech-death of the '90s that spawned black metal, there could be another, new reactionary form of music to come.

This topic also brings to mind "generational music," or music that generates itself without the aid of humans.  The artist Steve Roden had an exhibition in which there were bowls floating in pools of water.  They would move around and bump into one another - thereby creating a sound.  Taken as a whole, Roden was able to create an environmental, aesthetic (dare I say musical) experience.  I think that this is a really interesting concept that deserves more discussion and exploration.

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