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Haha, what I meant was musically most viking metal seems to fit into either black or melodic death metal, with the lyrics being the main distinguishing factor.

 

Not really. Most extreme metal genres share techniques like tremolo picking, blast beats, harsh vocals, etc..., but the way that they compose them in their song structure, their note selections, and the rhythms and cadences of their riffs are what distinguish them. Some viking metal has crossover with death metal, black metal, or even power metal and progressive metal, but it's still very much its own sound.

 

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I'm a fan of sub-genre labels, so Viking Metal is fine by me. It definitely has a fairly clear style and set of aesthetic (both aural and visual) values that are generally shared by some bands. 

As far as my CD collection organisation goes, I tend to conflate Viking (Einherjer/Thyrfing etc) and Folk Metal (Lumsk/Eluvietie etc) under one general banner called Pagan Metal which I find works for me as far as storage goes, as well as my belief that they tend to share similar historico-geographic values. 

As for the topic, Bathory black metal vs Bathory viking metal, this is indeed a tough one. As much as I really like and admire those early black metal albums, especially 'Under the Sign of the Black Mark', the viking material is amazing too. 'Hammerheart' is truly inspired. 

Ok, if I have to pick one I'm going to say Bathory viking. 

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I'm a fan of sub-genre labels, so Viking Metal is fine by me. It definitely has a fairly clear style and set of aesthetic (both aural and visual) values that are generally shared by some bands. 

As far as my CD collection organisation goes, I tend to conflate Viking (Einherjer/Thyrfing etc) and Folk Metal (Lumsk/Eluvietie etc) under one general banner called Pagan Metal which I find works for me as far as storage goes, as well as my belief that they tend to share similar historico-geographic values. 

As for the topic, Bathory black metal vs Bathory viking metal, this is indeed a tough one. As much as I really like and admire those early black metal albums, especially 'Under the Sign of the Black Mark', the viking material is amazing too. 'Hammerheart' is truly inspired. 

Ok, if I have to pick one I'm going to say Bathory viking. 

 

While I wouldn't use an overall banner label to unify them, it's undeniable that folk and viking metal belong together. Not only do they have a lot of overlap with bands mixing the styles, but in a lot of ways, they're like two sides of the same coin. Musically, folk metal uses folk melodies and song structures, and augments them with metal elements, whereas viking metal does the opposite, but both of those sounds feed into each other.

 

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11 hours ago, Requiem said:

As for the topic, Bathory black metal vs Bathory viking metal, this is indeed a tough one. As much as I really like and admire those early black metal albums, especially 'Under the Sign of the Black Mark', the viking material is amazing too. 'Hammerheart' is truly inspired.

Not to mention that there's also a greater volume of material as far as that sound is concerned.

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11 hours ago, Requiem said: As for the topic, Bathory black metal vs Bathory viking metal, this is indeed a tough one. As much as I really like and admire those early black metal albums, especially 'Under the Sign of the Black Mark', the viking material is amazing too. 'Hammerheart' is truly inspired.

Not to mention that there's also a greater volume of material as far as that sound is concerned.

 

Not by much. 4 black metal albums + demos vs. 5 viking metal albums, and one awkward attempt at combining the two (Destroyer of Worlds), though the viking albums do have longer run time.

 

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That the conversation can be had at all is a testament to Bathory's brilliance. I honestly prefer the viking metal material more. There's nothing wrong with their BM releases at all. I love them all more or less equally. I just find their viking metal work is more interesting. I sum it up like this: if I could only listen to one aspect of the Bathoy sound I would eventually grow weary of their BM work. I can't say the same of their viking metal mateial which I ecently listened to exclusively for two and a bit weeks.

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That the conversation can be had at all is a testament to Bathory's brilliance. I honestly prefer the viking metal material more. There's nothing wrong with their BM releases at all. I love them all more or less equally. I just find their viking metal work is more interesting. I sum it up like this: if I could only listen to one aspect of the Bathoy sound I would eventually grow weary of their BM work. I can't say the same of their viking metal mateial which I ecently listened to exclusively for two and a bit weeks.

 

It is a bit more musically basic and less layered than their viking material, burning wouldn't say that it's lacking in depth. Its depth lies in its subtlety, which sounds strange for how brazen it was at the time and even today, but the subtle chord changes and little details always give me new things to focus on for subsequent listens, so I don't think I would get sick of it over time. Both are great, they're really an outstanding band for producing so many fantastic albums.

 

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