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23 hours ago, Vampyrique said:

Wow, that's an impressive collection! I've only got the Mayhem basics. On a side note I'd like to know what else lies deep within the cavernous depths and hidden vaults at Castle Requiem and how does the missus contend with your level of compact disc-ophilia? 

I agree with everything you said about Mayhem being more interesting on many levels and the lure and lore of Mayhem far exceeds that of any metal band but relative to my criteria of ranking bands against one another, musical style and my connection to or appreciation of band members is typically outweighed by the body of work of a band. I find it interesting that Mayhem was able to maintain a consistently Mayhemish vibe on albums throughout their lengthy career despite the line-up changes, between album gaps, and storied events. But I understand your reasoning completely. 

I thought Belus sounded like a logical follow-up to Filosofem and I enjoyed it very much. Fallen was fine but didn't like the direction as much, have the follow up album but listened to it once and didn't bother with anything after. But As you pointed out, the first four are classics and to which showcases run of albums that I don't think many bands can compete with. Hlidskjalf is excellent too! 

 

The depths of the collection at Castle Requiem are too profound for mortal knowledge, and if you were to know the truth you would run screaming into the hills. You'd run to the hills. You'd run foooor yooouuurrr liiiiifffeeee. 

I feel I need to clarify my favourite band criteria. It is the music first and foremost. I am enthralled with Mayhem's body of work. 'Deathcrush', 'Live in Liepzig', 'De Mysteriis', and 'Grand Declaration of War' are all 9 or 10 out of 10 for me. Burzum are super close though - hence my bright idea to have them battle it out musically. But Mayhem easily tip the scales when I count all that other stuff about them. Hail Euronymous 666. 

8 hours ago, Balor said:

Cool collection!  What are the papers in the center?

Those papers, dear Balor, are photocopies of letters that Euronymous wrote to a Turkish guy around 1990 when they were trying to tour with the Dead lineup. The series letters outline what Euro and the band are up to, plans to record 'De Mysteriis', passport photos of Euro and Dead, travel arrangements, itineraries, stuff like that. I actually explain the collection in some detail in the 'Post Photos of Your Metal Collection' thread in the 'Photography' forum. Check it out. 

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12 hours ago, Requiem said:

The depths of the collection at Castle Requiem are too profound for mortal knowledge, and if you were to know the truth you would run screaming into the hills. You'd run to the hills. You'd run foooor yooouuurrr liiiiifffeeee. 

I feel I need to clarify my favourite band criteria. It is the music first and foremost. I am enthralled with Mayhem's body of work. 'Deathcrush', 'Live in Liepzig', 'De Mysteriis', and 'Grand Declaration of War' are all 9 or 10 out of 10 for me. Burzum are super close though - hence my bright idea to have them battle it out musically. But Mayhem easily tip the scales when I count all that other stuff about them. Hail Euronymous 666. 

Those papers, dear Balor, are photocopies of letters that Euronymous wrote to a Turkish guy around 1990 when they were trying to tour with the Dead lineup. The series letters outline what Euro and the band are up to, plans to record 'De Mysteriis', passport photos of Euro and Dead, travel arrangements, itineraries, stuff like that. I actually explain the collection in some detail in the 'Post Photos of Your Metal Collection' thread in the 'Photography' forum. Check it out. 

Cool!  I will look at the thread.

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On 25.6.2017 at 3:15 PM, FatherAlabaster said:

Your delivery needs work.

I think the joke is that Burzum never has, and never will, perform live ;) 

Edit: Burzum, even though I can't stand Vikernes as a person. I never quite got into Mayhem, the only song I really like is Freezing Moon. Maybe if my fellow countrymen show up on Wacken this year and I can see them live, I'll change my mind. 

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23 hours ago, vinnidark said:

I think the joke is that Burzum never has, and never will, perform live ;) 

Edit: Burzum, even though I can't stand Vikernes as a person. I never quite got into Mayhem, the only song I really like is Freezing Moon. Maybe if my fellow countrymen show up on Wacken this year and I can see them live, I'll change my mind. 

Unlikely. The current incarnation of the band, which I call Teloch and the Cheque-Cashers, are about as likely to win new fans live as my mother in law and her church friends are if they were to tap out ‘Silvester Anfang’ on their knitting needles.

If ‘Live in Leipzig’, ‘De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas’ and ‘Grand Declaration of War’ don’t do it for you then it’s not in your blood and you’ll never understand, to employ an old Manowar quote. 

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I'd have to say Burzum and that's a recent phenomenon for me. I did not used to really listen to Burzum until I bought the double LP of Burzum/Aske last year. I had known about Burzum and everything since I was younger and read Lords of Chaos but I never really sat down and listened to it or got an appreciation for exactly what he was doing until I bought Hvis Lyset Tar Oss a few months ago, and then I immediately went and ordered Filosofem and really got into Burzum through that trilogy of albums.

Mayhem on the other hand, I never really got into for whatever reason. I think it's because the first Mayhem album I heard was A Grand Declaration of War rather than De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas (A seminal black metal album that I surprisingly do not own), and I was put off by where I had started, so I never really went back and listened to Mayhem after that.

Varg Vikernes is nuttier than a Christmas fruitcake, but it has to be said that he created some of the best black metal of all time. I'm not really sure exactly how he pulled it off either, because he doesn't seem to have that much musical talent or ability on the surface, having seen some of his YouTube videos.

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16 hours ago, NokturnalBoredom said:

Varg Vikernes is nuttier than a Christmas fruitcake, but it has to be said that he created some of the best black metal of all time. I'm not really sure exactly how he pulled it off either, because he doesn't seem to have that much musical talent or ability on the surface, having seen some of his YouTube videos.

Don't underestimate the power of fanatical obsession and having no friends as a teen as driving force. I've never cared for Burzum, the white supmreacy is an instant turn-off, I'll never give him the time of day, but there's no denying that him and Mayhem are some of the cornerstones of all black metal and dungeon synth as we know it today.

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I bought like four of his books on paganism and read them. They were written at maybe an 8th grade level and didn't really have anything groundbreaking to say about the "religion", so I gave them to my friend who is into black metal and collects books. When we were installing windows and doors together, we used to write in port-o-johns "Who is Louis Cachet?" (his post-prison legal name) & we also used to watch his videos when they were still up on YouTube and get a laugh out of them. The guy is clearly on the spectrum with how obsessed he is with paganism, the supposed collapse of modern civilization that he swears is right around the corner, and tabletop role playing games so it almost feels kind of bad to chuckle at him but then you realize that he murdered a guy and did a "life sentence" in Norway for it and that this killing set black metal back by at least twenty years. Also, nobody buys the "Self-Defense" story-- he killed Euronymous because Euronymous said that he was "more black metal" than him. It's the same kind of stupid shit that goes down in scenes all over the world except he took it to the ultimate point whereas most people just have fallings out over it.

I have Burzum shirts, I've got a Burzum tattoo on my back already and am getting another one on my arm (The woman blowing the horn from Filosofem to add to my black metal sleeve) but even I realize that Varg the person is a bit touched in the head, so his music has to be allowed to speak for itself.

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Early Burzum just breathes feelings of isolation, to my ears anyway. I think being in touch with strong feelings in a clear way is the most important ingredient for music like that. It doesn't take an inordinate amount of intelligence and it certainly doesn't take good moral character. Varg's personal lameness and the attention around the murder turned me off to his music for years. I've developed a real appreciation for it but I totally get why someone might choose to steer clear.

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