Jump to content
Sign in to stalk this  
Requiem

Gothic Rock

Recommended Posts

On 3/4/2018 at 10:45 PM, Tortuga said:

I wonder how many here have heard of Kukl?

This was the first goth/post punk band that I ever saw live and they have been one of my favorites ever since. But all most everytime I mention them, I just get a blank stare.

And yes, the front woman is exactly who you think it is...a young Björk.

 

I can definitely see how people would really enjoy this, but this isn't really my cup of tea. I don't really understand how a term like gothic became mixed up with this sort of music. It's certainly an interesting historical document, young Bjork there! 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Your Ad Here
Support the forum, get a special badge and promote yourself to thousands of Metal fans. Click the above link to get started!
4 hours ago, Requiem said:

I can definitely see how people would really enjoy this, but this isn't really my cup of tea. I don't really understand how a term like gothic became mixed up with this sort of music. It's certainly an interesting historical document, young Bjork there! 

Well, they called themselves a goth band, but were called a punk band by the Icelandic media at the time (1984). And in Copenhagen many goths regarded them as a goth band, too. I also think that at least in Scandinavia in the early to mid 1980's, nobody could really set in stone what goth what/is and that really went into the 2000's: I remember reading posts on Danish underground forums where people were still discussing what goth was.

I would call Kukl for early experimental goth because that is definitely the impression that I got when seeing them live. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Well, they called themselves a goth band, but were called a punk band by the Icelandic media at the time (1984). And in Copenhagen many goths regarded them as a goth band, too. I also think that at least in Scandinavia in the early to mid 1980's, nobody could really set in stone what goth what/is and that really went into the 2000's: I remember reading posts on Danish underground forums where people were still discussing what goth was.
I would call Kukl for early experimental goth because that is definitely the impression that I got when seeing them live. 
 
A lot of Goth sprouted up from post punk, so there is a punk connection and a bit of a grey area with the early bands. It makes sense in a lot of ways.

Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
37 minutes ago, BlutAusNerd said:

A lot of Goth sprouted up from post punk, so there is a punk connection and a bit of a grey area with the early bands. It makes sense in a lot of ways.

Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
 

Not to mention that people were describing darker rock as "gothic" as far back as The Doors. But yeah, the original "goth rock" as such was basically dark punk and post-punk.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
24 minutes ago, MetalheadFromBama said:

I’m starting to really like Bauhaus and The Sisters Of Mercy, but I also like some of the more glam-sounding gothic rock bands, such as Specimen and Visage. My favorite gothic rock band is The Doors, who were the founders of gothic rock.

The Sisters are great. I'm a fan of pretty much everything they did, but I have a soft spot for "First, Last, and Always" and some of the older and more primitive stuff like "Alice". Some Bauhaus is awesome too, although I find them a little hit and miss. Have you checked out Fields Of The Nephilim? As far as The Doors go, they definitely had an influence, but the sound of the genre as we know it didn't develop until the late seventies.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, FatherAlabaster said:

The Sisters are great. I'm a fan of pretty much everything they did, but I have a soft spot for "First, Last, and Always" and some of the older and more primitive stuff like "Alice". Some Bauhaus is awesome too, although I find them a little hit and miss. Have you checked out Fields Of The Nephilim? As far as The Doors go, they definitely had an influence, but the sound of the genre as we know it didn't develop until the late seventies.

I’ve never listened to Fields Of The Nephilim, but I will check them out. Thanks for the suggestion.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The Sisters are great. I'm a fan of pretty much everything they did, but I have a soft spot for "First, Last, and Always" and some of the older and more primitive stuff like "Alice". Some Bauhaus is awesome too, although I find them a little hit and miss. Have you checked out Fields Of The Nephilim? As far as The Doors go, they definitely had an influence, but the sound of the genre as we know it didn't develop until the late seventies.
Yeah, The Doors had more of a psychedelic thing going on. It's kind of like the difference between the proto-punk of MC5 and The Who versus The Ramones, or in metal terms, the difference between Steppenwolf and Black Sabbath.

Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

I listen to Death rock and Gothic Rock.

From the 70s, I like Ballad of Dwight Fry by Alice Cooper. Other bands that fall under death rock are Burning Image, The Flesh Eaters, Kommunity FX, and 45 Grave.

 

I also like the progressive death rock band Theatre of Ice. 

 

Among the second wave of Gothic Rock, I like Sisters of Mercy and Alien Sex Fiend.

Modern Goth bands I like are Gothministers, Flowing Tears, and Love Like Blood.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 3/12/2018 at 12:56 PM, MetalheadFromBama said:

I’m starting to really like Bauhaus and The Sisters Of Mercy, but I also like some of the more glam-sounding gothic rock bands, such as Specimen and Visage. My favorite gothic rock band is The Doors, who were the founders of gothic rock.

Before Pete Burns was spinning people 'round he played in a Doorsy proto-goth band that released a couple of great songs, like this one:

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to stalk this  

  • Join Metal Forum

    joinus-home.jpg

  • Your Ad Here
    Support the forum, get a special badge and promote yourself to thousands of Metal fans. Click the above link to get started!
  • Our picks

    • There's life in the old dog yet it seems.  It terms of original members only Phil Fasciana remains in the ranks of Malevolent Creation now and after the passing of Brett Hoffman last year you could almost forgive fans for thinking the curtain had fallen on Malevolent Creation.  The fact is that whilst "The 13th Beast" reinvents no wheels it does exhibit the sound of a band in the throes of something of a regeneration phase.  There's nothing tired sounding here, no dull interludes to build unnecessary atmosphere.  As soon as the spoken word intro to "End the Torture" finishes it is straight up thrashing death metal until the very end, some 11 tracks later.

      Although all debuting in the Malevolent full length stakes here, the 3 musicians that join Fasciana on this record are all clearly capable and qualified purveyors of their art form.  Again, I highlight that this is not far above your average DM record yet it is so assured and solid you can easily forgive it to some degree.  Lee Wollenschlaeger gives a good acquittal of himself as an established and competent vocalist, filling Hoffman's shoes nicely.  Phil Cancilla is a machine on those skins, blasting his way across the soundscape yet also using the percussion well when the occasional let up in the pace permits.  Fasciana and Wollenschlaeger work well together to keep the chug of the riffs motoring along whilst Gibbs plonks, twangs and rumbles his way through every track, allowed to be heard in the mix and show his variety without ever showboating.  For a band together for only 2 years as a four piece they sound tight and committed.

      There's no metal fan worth the denim their patches are sewn onto that doesn't look at that album cover and mouth a "fuck me, dude!"  I mean, come on, it is fucking awesome.  Like a more ornamental Predator head on a ghostly green background.  I love it when album covers are matched by the content of the record inside, and whilst there are obviously some shortfalls here, still in the main "The 13th Beast" delivers.  When they keep the track length short and succinct, Malevolent Creation are at their best.  "The Beast Awakened", "Agony for the Chosen" and "Knife at Hand" all kick serious ass.  By the same token "Born of Pain" at nearly 7 minutes long doesn't really do anything or go anywhere to justify the length attributed to it.

      Overall, I would have preferred a shorter record.  At 11 tracks the band cover a lot of ground in under 50 minutes but not all of it really needs treading.  That withstanding, never does it get grating and still the accessibility factor remains consistent enough to forgive the extra excursions present.

      So, having started slowly, January 2019 has finally delivered something worthwhile and a first physical purchase also of a new release for this year.  3/5

       
      • Reputation Points

      • 0 replies
    • Variety is the spice of life, so they say.  Someone might want to mention this to Legion of the Damned.  Picking up right were Venom left off last week in the the generic stakes, "Slaves of the Shadow Realm" churns out a largely unvaried, unremarkable and unmemorable thrash metal with the odd splash of death and black metal smatterings here and there.  To give you some idea of how hard going this is I have to wait three whole tracks to here a lead guitar!  I love good chug fest as much as the next man but when it is the only flavour in the dish its impact on the palette diminishes quickly.

      I can't honestly tell if the album is supposed to be one long song accidentally edited to give gaps to give the illusion of it being several tracks?  Some tracks just start very lazy (Slaves of the Southern Cross) whilst others just allude to some slight break of pace from the previous track before going off on the exact same pace, in the exact same direction (Nocturnal Commando).

      The frustration is that when they get it at least half right and vary things just a touch, they can put together some enjoyable pieces (Warhounds of Hades) but the memorability factor still struggles to register much above a 0, even in these moments.


      By far the pinnacle of the record is "Black Banners in Flames", a menacing thrasher of a track that allows for some relent in the ferocity stakes to apply some melody to create that aforementioned menace.  Otherwise I feel that I have had a sub par meal at a restaurant.  The chefs are perfectly competent (no Michelin stars here though folks) and the ingredients are all of reasonable quality, sourced responsibly enough, but there's little attempt at seasoning and so everything just seems bland.  It sounds like the vocalist is holding this together really.  Swinkels performance on all tracks is obviously a notch up from his band mates' which is a shame because he deserves better really.



      2/5 (2019 is not starting well)
      • Reputation Points

      • 0 replies
    • 37 years on, can Venom still cut it? Find out here:
      https://www.metalforum.com/blogs/entry/40-venom-storm-the-gates/
      • Reputation Points

      • 0 replies
    • At the start of pulling this list together I had thought it to have been a "light" year for BM releases.  It was only when I got into compiling my "Best of 2018" that I realised it had in fact been quite a good year.  2018 in BM saw the return of some well established acts, some of them doing what they have always done well whereas others took to the recording studios minus long standing members.  When all is said and done, I think it all turned out rather well.

      Click the link to read more.

      • Reputation Points

      • 10 replies
    • It was 2014 when Corpsessed released their debut full length and mighty fucking good it was too.  Some 4+ years later and it is time for the sophomore release to land in my music stream and seek my attention.  When I say seek I actually mean possess my attention.  Although the album is by no means perfect, this record grabs hold of you by your very soul, dragging it off on a journey littered with horror, darkness and crushing heaviness to boot.  One of its main successes is the atmosphere that is obvious from the opening of "Impetus of  the Dead" and plays an integral part over the remainder of the release.

      It is a very well structured album too, with strong song writing that layers tracks up to behemoth size and proportions.  Yet at the same time there's a real sense of balance too, for every cavernous and mammoth like structure there's shorter and more intense bursts that whilst moving the pace slightly away from the heaviness, don't distract too much from it.  "Paroxsymal" and "Sortilege" are great examples of this, two well placed tracks that add a variety to the pace and increase the memorability of the whole experience.


      The album only has two weak points for me.  The penultimate track on the record seems just a random and not altogether necessary inclusion, especially given the quality of "Forlorn Burial" before it and the vast ending of "Starless Event Horizon" after it.  Secondly, the production does seem to give off a muddled sound on some tracks although the horror of the atmosphere and those lead guitars certainly do rescue the day on more than one occasion.  In a year that has struggled overall to bring many standout DM records, "Impetus of Death" will be a welcome addition to any fan's Top 10 DM Albums of 2018 no doubt.  It is one of the stronger records of 2018 and also a fine step up from their debut offering also which makes me excited for album number 3.

       

      4/5
      • Reputation Points

      • 0 replies
×