Metalcore

[FatherAlabaster]

He seems very articulate and well-informed, if prone to hyperbole. I couldn't sit through the whole thing. I'd rather read a write-up. Also, he's wrong, Times Of Grace is where it's at.

[JBaker]

I haven't actually watched that particular review. Just seemed a good opportunity to share his channel. It is pretty remarkable, considering he's about 12 I think? No more than 14, anyway. When I was that age my pallet didn't extent any wider than Disturbed, SOAD, Korn and Alice in Chains! As an aside, I'd quite like to check out Neurosis. The dude appears on a Converge song, and I really dig his voice. Plus, I've heard this is a great album. But, I wanna start in the right place!

[FatherAlabaster]

Whoa, you haven't listened to Neurosis? Oh boy! Don't start with the newer stuff. Check out Enemy Of The Sun, Through Silver In Blood, Times Of Grace, and A Sun That Never Sets - Times Of Grace being my favorite. I think you'll really dig it. There are some good parts in the newer stuff, but they sound stale by comparison, and the vocals sound a little too stylized if that makes sense. I miss the energy they used to have. Not that their new albums are bad, just not as good.

[JBaker]

Whoa' date=' you haven't listened to Neurosis? Oh boy! Don't start with the newer stuff. Check out Enemy Of The Sun, Through Silver In Blood, Times Of Grace, and A Sun That Never Sets - Times Of Grace being my favorite. I think you'll really dig it. There are some good parts in the newer stuff, but they sound stale by comparison, and the vocals sound a little too stylized if that makes sense. I miss the energy they used to have. Not that their new albums are bad, just not as good.[/quote'] Cheers. Didn't they start out as a more hardcore-oriented band and then get more post-metal as they went along? I've heard one of the tracks from Honor Found in Decay and quite liked it. Their later stuff seems to get compared a lot to Cult of Luna, whose latest album I really like.

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: Why doesn't Metalcore have it's own section

Cheers. Didn't they start out as a more hardcore-oriented band and then get more post-metal as they went along? I've heard one of the tracks from Honor Found in Decay and quite liked it. Their later stuff seems to get compared a lot to Cult of Luna' date=' whose latest album I really like.[/quote'] They were one of the first (and best) sludge metal bands, and then moved on to start the whole post-sludge movement that bands like Isis would run with. Souls at Zero is actually my favorite, one of their more raw and visceral offerings, but not short on atmospheric presence or beauty either. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[CastTheCrown69]

some one please give me a CLEAR CUT definition of metalcore please! I must be confused. God damn subgenres.

[JBaker]

Metalcore is basically a mixture of metal and hardcore punk. Some later bands specifically combine melodic death metal, post-hardcore, modern emo and pop punk to create a particularly commercial sound the rattles most people here's cage (somewhat understandably, of course).

[deathstorm]

Metalcore is basically a mixture of metal and hardcore punk. Some later bands specifically combine melodic death metal' date=' post-hardcore, modern emo and pop punk to create a particularly commercial sound the rattles most people here's cage (somewhat understandably, of course). [/quote']. They called that. Gothencore. At one point. With the mixture. Of melo death. And hardcore. They. Dubbed SHADOWSFALL. That one point

[CastTheCrown69]

so Shadows Fall is metalcore?

[JBaker]

so Shadows Fall is metalcore?

Aye. I've never really listened to them but, if I'm correct, they're among the first of the new wave of 'modern' metalcore, who use the melodeath and modern emo influences as I've just described.

[CastTheCrown69]

http://youtu.be/c-QjyOD5vGE is this metalcore? im pretty sure its fuckin metal and not a subgenre but i need to make sure

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: Metal Core

http://youtu.be/c-QjyOD5vGE is this metalcore? im pretty sure its fuckin metal and not a subgenre but i need to make sure

Can't be 100% certain listening at low volume on my phone, but I would say so. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[FatherAlabaster]

Ooh. Sounds like Christian deathcore with a bit of groove-metal influence. Everything goes into some subgenre, they're just (hopefully) more precise terms so people get a better idea of what music will sound like. There's no substitute for actually hearing it. Whatever this is, it's not my thing, can't stand it. But if you like it, who cares?

[CastTheCrown69]

hell yeah man i love their music!

[Iceni]

Ooh. Sounds like Christian deathcore with a bit of groove-metal influence.

'Sounds like?' I'm curious, what makes music 'sound' Christian to you other than banal simplicity? I've got my own criteria, but usually it's just a compilation of the most annoying cliches that such bands use for one reason or another. The good Christian bands tend to curb-stomp these notions right off.

some one please give me a CLEAR CUT definition of metalcore please! I must be confused.

Read the thread. BlutAusNerd and KSMASH are our genre-definition specialists with regards to metalcore and JBaker has a broad familiarity with the genre. I can't stand it no matter how it sounds since I've never met hardcore music I didn't want to kick into a storm drain on my way to the annual Aural Oddballs Symposium, but I think I at least know the difference thanks to their information.

[FatherAlabaster]

I'm curious' date=' what makes music 'sound' Christian to you other than banal simplicity? [/quote'] The lyrics! Certainly sounded Christian to me... You'd know better of course...

[Iceni]

The lyrics! Certainly sounded Christian to me... You'd know better of course...

Well, the name Thy Will Be Done certainly would tip me off... Your use of the word 'sound' was what struck me as odd.

[deathstorm]

Some Christian. Bands. As long. They don't. Go too religious. On you

[CastTheCrown69]

i honestly dont even think of them as 'christian metal/rock'. i think theyre too heavy for me to consider them in that realm of bands.

[RelentlessOblivion]

Clear definition of metalcore: metal + hardcore. It really is that simple. There are so few (one to be precise) metalcore bands I've actually heard and enjoyed I have written off the genre.

[RelentlessOblivion]

As for Christian metal I don't think you can define a band based on how "heavy" they are. Christian bands are christian regardless of how they sound. Miseration are a christian band but they're also a technical death metal band. Trouble incorporate christian themes into their music but are also a doom metal band. If the music is good then it doesn't matter if a band is christian, muslim, jewish or whatever. The only exception to that rule for me is where a band is promoting hatred towards people because of their race, religion, etc.

[FatherAlabaster]

Wow, silly discussion. Of course the band is Christian, there's no value judgement attached to that. The lyrics are explicitly religious. Banal simplicity and a lack of heaviness aren't unique to Christian bands. I haven't heard a lot of Christian metal, but what I've heard has varied widely from "suck" to "great" across a few subgenres. Couldn't associate a specific musical style with it if I wanted to. As far as "metal+hardcore", RO, you keep saying the same thing and you know good and well it's not that simple. The label has been applied, rejected, misapplied, and misappropriated too many times over too long for there to be anything other than a mass of conflicting opinion that encompasses a very wide range of music. Anyone who doesn't feel like wading in, listening to a lot of music they might dislike, and deciding for themselves where to draw the line shouldn't really care about the distinction in the first place, and stands a chance of missing out on some really good music.

[deathstorm]

Demon hunter is pretty. Good

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: Metal Core

Wow, silly discussion. Of course the band is Christian, there's no value judgement attached to that. The lyrics are explicitly religious. Banal simplicity and a lack of heaviness aren't unique to Christian bands. I haven't heard a lot of Christian metal, but what I've heard has varied widely from "suck" to "great" across a few subgenres. Couldn't associate a specific musical style with it if I wanted to. As far as "metal+hardcore", RO, you keep saying the same thing and you know good and well it's not that simple. The label has been applied, rejected, misapplied, and misappropriated too many times over too long for there to be anything other than a mass of conflicting opinion that encompasses a very wide range of music. Anyone who doesn't feel like wading in, listening to a lot of music they might dislike, and deciding for themselves where to draw the line shouldn't really care about the distinction in the first place, and stands a chance of missing out on some really good music.

Yep, definitely more Christian metal bands fall into the "suck" category though. It seems like doom and progressive metal are the genres that work the best for Christian bands to express themselves well in, but that's not always the case. True, metal + hardcore doesn't really tell the whole story, as there are tons of other metal + hardcore combinations besides metalcore (grindcore, crossover thrash, sludge, crust/death and crust/thrash fusions, slam death, etc...), so it's not that cut and dry. Metalcore bands tend to fall more into the hardcore punk side of the spectrum as far as songwriting and atmosphere, and mainly just augment that sound with various metal techniques, whereas most other genres mentioned fall more specifically into the metal camp with techniques borrowed from hardcore punk. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[FatherAlabaster]

The funny thing is how some bands define themselves. I'm sure I mentioned it somewhere else, but I read an interview with the Assuck vocalist and he said flat out, they're a hardcore band, they have nothing to do with metal, metal is all about money to him and he thinks it's silly. To me they sound like death-grind. Whatever they call it, I love it. It's got more to with the attitude than anything else, for me. Jute Gyte has a lot of black metal in it, but the underlying attitude sounds like post-punk or even just punk. I played it for my old drummer, a big hardcore fan, and he said the same thing. It's got that "fuck you, I'm gonna keep making noise" thing going on.