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Well I used the word commercialism, but what I really meant is that hard rock and heavy metal are very testosterone driven, so I don't see anything wrong with naming a track "Hard For Love" eheh I consider it "traditional", it belongs to the Robert Johnson tradition of "squeeze my lemon 'til the juice runs down my leg" (Robert Plant should pay royalties for that).

All through the 70's, most if not every band sung about doing chicks, with or without room for emotion, so I'm not put off when 80's bands follow that route the way Savatage tried to do. Of course, when your singer is Jon "none uglier" Oliva you have a tough time being sexist, let alone sexy.

And maybe you guys were too harsh on "Power of the Night", it's still a pretty badass album! You don't get tracks named "Necrophilia" on a Bon Jovi record!

I like it loud and I like it cheesy! :D

 

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Well I used the word commercialism, but what I really meant is that hard rock and heavy metal are very testosterone driven, so I don't see anything wrong with naming a track "Hard For Love" eheh I consider it "traditional", it belongs to the Robert Johnson tradition of "squeeze my lemon 'til the juice runs down my leg" (Robert Plant should pay royalties for that).

All through the 70's, most if not every band sung about doing chicks, with or without room for emotion, so I'm not put off when 80's bands follow that route the way Savatage tried to do. Of course, when your singer is Jon "none uglier" Oliva you have a tough time being sexist, let alone sexy.

And maybe you guys were too harsh on "Power of the Night", it's still a pretty badass album! You don't get tracks named "Necrophilia" on a Bon Jovi record!

I like it loud and I like it cheesy!

 

 

Black and death metal bands sing about sex, that's not the problem. They neutered their guitar lines and wrote more pop/radio-friendly rock songs to garner wider appeal, and reverted back when they failed to bring it in (much like Celtic Frost, Grave Digger, Saxon, etc...) seeing that it wasn't worth the sacrifice. It's cool if you want to get some, but pussifying your sound to do so is idiotic. People don't want the same things from metal as they do from pop music, so it's silly to employ the same marketing driven tactics when you'll lose a good chunk of your diehard fans for doing so.

 

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1 hour ago, BlutAusNerd said:

 

Black and death metal bands sing about sex, that's not the problem. They neutered their guitar lines and wrote more pop/radio-friendly rock songs to garner wider appeal, and reverted back when they failed to bring it in (much like Celtic Frost, Grave Digger, Saxon, etc...) seeing that it wasn't worth the sacrifice. It's cool if you want to get some, but pussifying your sound to do so is idiotic. People don't want the same things from metal as they do from pop music, so it's silly to employ the same marketing driven tactics when you'll lose a good chunk of your diehard fans for doing so.

 

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I agree with that, but only with regards to "Fight for the Rock".

"Power of the Night" is very heavy! Excellent production, but still heavy!

"Fight for the Rock" is the typical sell-out. Of course, "Power of the Night" has a bigger sound than what came before it (actually both "Sirens" and "Dungeons" stem from the same session), but I would not call that a sell-out.

I know some people who say that the best Priest album is "Turbo", the best Saxon is "Innocence is No Excuse" and so on and so forth... I'm not like that. I like major productions from the 80's (when bands were being sent to the Bahamas just to mix their record) and I like some swagger thrown in for good measure. 

I am not the biggest fan of full sell-outs, though. You know what I mean, the ones that leave you scratching your head. Like when a 35 year old Rob Halford sings "we don't need no parental guidance here" or when Jon Oliva is "Crying for Love". 

That is why I love "Point of Entry" (though I don't want to know what entrance was in Rob's mind) with majestic tracks like "Desert Plains" and I partly despise stuff like the above mentioned track excerpt from the "Turbo" record.

One thing is to be "Hard for Love" ("Power of the Night"), another one is to be "Crying for Love" :D

In Saxon's case, well I actually really enjoy most of "Innocence", most of "Rockin' the Nations" and pretty much all of "Destiny". The only two tracks I have a hard time standing are the sappy singles like "Waiting for the Night" and "I can't Wait Anymore". I know the story of Grave Digger trying to sell-out by dropping the word Grave and having Chris Boltendahl (not exactly the most handsome fella on Earth, even by German standards) doing his best Diamond Dave impression on stage... but I never actually heard the Digger record, so I am not able to properly comment on that...

ManOwaR supposedly sold out too when they recorded the video for "Blow Your Speakers"... It's like Atlantic records had this concept of taking two US heavy metal champions like Savatage and ManOwaR and having them record two mellower records whose title contained the word "FIGHT"... 

...btw, the best FIGHTING albums of that era are Warrior's and White Lion's... "Fight to Survive" is so damn good! "El Salvador" totally kicks ass.

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5 hours ago, GorboGorboze said:

I see Riot on a few lists here. It's a band I basically have never heard. I'll check it out.

It's a great heavy metal band. Definitely the only band that in 1977 had tracks on par with the likes of Judas Priest and Rainbow (which were heavy metal's top of the game, IMHO).

If I may suggest a few tracks:

"Warrior" from the debut 1977. Along with "Kill the King" by Rainbow, "Exciter" by Judas Priest, "Set Me Free" by the Sweet, "Fireball" by Deep Purple and "Take me with You" by Whitesnake it shall be ranked among the 70's proto speed/power melodic metal tracks. My absolute favorite of theirs.

"Outlaw" from "Fire down Under" 1981. Everybody is in love with the opening track from their International Capitol/EMI debut, but I like this one better. A track about a mexican dude being reckless and not giving an F.

"Heavy Metal Machine" from "Born in America" 1984. The heaviest track with Rhett Forrester on vocals (RIP).

"Thundersteel" from "Thundersteel" 1988. This is their "Painkiller" equivalent, though it came out earlier. Mark Reale had split the band after the above mentioned "Born in America", then relocated (to Texas, if I remember correctly) and regrouped with some outstanding musicians, including drummer extraordinaire Bobby Jazorbek (talk about fast feet, this guy has 'em!) and impossibly high pitched vocalist Tony Moore. Reale himself really upped his game as a guitarist. Still in the Blackmore and Tipton tradition, but on steroids! There are some solo sections here that you can only dream about.

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Thundersteel also has one of the most devastating title tracks in the history of the genre. 

 

The rest of the album holds up too, unlike the Painkiller album that it foretold the coming of, which is a bit inconsistent and front-loaded by comparison.

 

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7 minutes ago, BlutAusNerd said:

 

The rest of the album holds up too, unlike the Painkiller album that it foretold the coming of, which is a bit inconsistent and front-loaded by comparison.

 

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I actually love all of "Painkiller", I just wish "Touch of Evil" wasn't the other single :D 

I like what you said about "Thundersteel" being a "Painkiller" prophecy of sorts...

...but there is ONE record that is the absolute clairvoyant of that kind of heavy metal (as in shitloads of double bass and fast riffing) and tha record is... "REIGN OF TERROR" by the Wild Dogs, featuring one Dean Castronovo on drums.

 

Oh and I cannot refrain myself from saying that the "Thundersteel" riff was firstly featured in this track (seriously, this is CRAZY... it's the one...):

 

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7 minutes ago, BlutAusNerd said:  

The rest of the album holds up too, unlike the Painkiller album that it foretold the coming of, which is a bit inconsistent and front-loaded by comparison.

 

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I actually love all of "Painkiller", I just wish "Touch of Evil" wasn't the other single  

I like what you said about "Thundersteel" being a "Painkiller" prophecy of sorts...

...but there is ONE record that is the absolute clairvoyant of that kind of heavy metal (as in shitloads of double bass and fast riffing) and tha record is... "REIGN OF TERROR" by the Wild Dogs, featuring one Dean Castronovo on drums.

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Oh and I cannot refrain myself from saying that the "Thundersteel" riff was firstly featured in this track (seriously, this is CRAZY... it's the one...):

 

 

I haven't heard either of those, I'll have to give them a listen. Thanks!

 

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7 minutes ago, BlutAusNerd said:  

The rest of the album holds up too, unlike the Painkiller album that it foretold the coming of, which is a bit inconsistent and front-loaded by comparison.

 

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I actually love all of "Painkiller", I just wish "Touch of Evil" wasn't the other single  

I like what you said about "Thundersteel" being a "Painkiller" prophecy of sorts...

...but there is ONE record that is the absolute clairvoyant of that kind of heavy metal (as in shitloads of double bass and fast riffing) and tha record is... "REIGN OF TERROR" by the Wild Dogs, featuring one Dean Castronovo on drums.

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Oh and I cannot refrain myself from saying that the "Thundersteel" riff was firstly featured in this track (seriously, this is CRAZY... it's the one...):

 

 

Well fuck. I had heard the name ADX before, and now I know why it's always accompanied with praise, that was killer! Wild Dogs was good too, but ADX was better. I'm always looking for speed metal like this, so thank you!

 

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Cool! Glad you appreciated.

French heavy metal rocked hard and fast! For me, when it comes to continental Europe, their 80's scene is only second to Deutschland (uber alles)! 

Warning, Satan Jokers, H-Bomb, Sortilege, ADX, Vulcain... these are my faves! Trust is actually the one I like the least, although they are the only "famous" one.

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Cool! Glad you appreciated.

French heavy metal rocked hard and fast! For me, when it comes to continental Europe, their 80's scene is only second to Deutschland (uber alles)! 

Warning, Satan Jokers, H-Bomb, Sortilege, ADX, Vulcain... these are my faves! Trust is actually the one I like the least, although they are the only "famous" one.

 

I knew these guys and Satan Jokers by name, but the only one I had heard or own anything from is Sortilége, who are excellent. Thanks for the links, now I have to try to track them down...

 

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