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Interesting. I would say that if the idea of the Slayer shirt makes you nervous that you will be promoting Nazi style intolerance you had not ought to wear it. If you otherwise find Slayer does not put forward an agenda you are not in line with go for another shirt. I would not poo poo the idea that it's a reference to the Nazi symbol. but meant ironically. Alabaster, I think you under-annalize the connection. I'm imagining Slayer means it provocatively or ironically or some such, but I know nothing of their politics. 

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It's an extension of the controversy surrounding the song Angel Of Death. Some view it as a song supporting Nazism and the holocaust. Others, like myself, see it as Slayer's way of decrying those evils. It's worth noting there are some differences in design between the Slayer eagle and Nazi eagle. The beak design is slightly different and whilst the Slayer eagle is typically depicted with wings folded down Nazi eagles typically have outstretched wings.

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14 minutes ago, GorboGorboze said:

. Alabaster, I think you under-annalize the connection. I'm imagining Slayer means it provocatively or ironically or some such, but I know nothing of their politics. 

It's a tired old question that can easily be resolved to whatever degree will satisfy someone by a Google search. Obviously there are more similarities than differences, because at some point they thought the Nazi military imagery was cool, in much the same way as they and other bands thought Satanic imagery was cool. It's a matter of record that very few of them took any of it seriously. War and the devil were just things thrash bands sang about back then, and Slayer did it without any of the social consciousness of some of the German groups, or of Metallica, for instance. I guarantee you that we've collectively put more thought into discussing it, already, in this very thread, than they did coming up with the idea.

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When you are walking around with an image on your chest it is not unreasonable to check in with yourself and imagine what people might think you are promoting, and if it bothers you and you can't take it in stride as ironic or you can't just wear it without a cringing pang of social consciousness than I'd understand and take seriously someones decision to wear a different shirt. I'm sophisticated enough to doubt that Slayer is fascist, and I'm late to the conversation so it still interests me. It's facile to say "no swastika no co-option of Nazi imagery"... especially when they have taken a Nazi thing and inserted a suggestion of Satan worship. Anyway the general subject of metal culture sweat-shirting is still of interest to me, way more so than Slayer is at any rate.

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12 hours ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

It's an extension of the controversy surrounding the song Angel Of Death. Some view it as a song supporting Nazism and the holocaust. Others, like myself, see it as Slayer's way of decrying those evils. It's worth noting there are some differences in design between the Slayer eagle and Nazi eagle. The beak design is slightly different and whilst the Slayer eagle is typically depicted with wings folded down Nazi eagles typically have outstretched wings.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

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To be honest I think it is like what everyone else has said. If you are comfortable wearing the shirt, wear it. If you are not comfortable wearing the shirt then don't.

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33 minutes ago, GorboGorboze said:

When you are walking around with an image on your chest it is not unreasonable to check in with yourself and imagine what people might think you are promoting, and if it bothers you and you can't take it in stride as ironic or you can't just wear it without a cringing pang of social consciousness than I'd understand and take seriously someones decision to wear a different shirt. I'm sophisticated enough to doubt that Slayer is fascist, and I'm late to the conversation so it still interests me. It's facile to say "no swastika no co-option of Nazi imagery"... especially when they have taken a Nazi thing and inserted a suggestion of Satan worship. Anyway the general subject of metal culture sweat-shirting is still of interest to me, way more so than Slayer is at any rate.

That's not what I said, though. They're obviously co-opting the imagery. But, they're not Neo-Nazis any more than they are Satanists or anti-war activists attempting to discuss tough issues; it's just edgy marketing. Except it's not edgy any more since they've been doing it for the past thirty some-odd years. They've turned themselves into a brand name. If Cannibal Corpse is the McDonald's of death metal, Slayer is the Burger King of thrash. I doubt anyone would be confused by the shirt. I don't have a position on whether or not the OP should wear one.

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I love Slayer to bits, probably my favourite band. Never got the feeling any of them are/were racist, any more than I've got the feeling any of them are/were satanic.

On which basis I'd personally prefer it if they didn't bother with the imagery on either front really. It's rare they produce a shirt I'd feel comfortable wearing, and I don't just mean because they tend to be printed on uncomfortable brands. I've never joined the 'Slaytanic Wehrmacht' either.

But yeah, they're still the best.

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That's going a bit far. Even Diablolus had one really good track - Point. God Hates Us All had quite a few good ones - God Send Death, Threshold, Bloodline. Christ Illusion was pretty shit, but I recall the opener being quite good. World Painted Blood is an incredible track, and that album was reasonably solid in general. And Repentless at least had When The Stillness Comes.

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