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Mayhem Died With Euronymous


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I saw this post somewhere that stated "The day Varg killed Euronymous, Burzum also killed Mayhem" Personally i agree with this. Although he was a cunt and deserved everything he got Euronymous was Mayhem! And since then they have been shit! I saw something else in response to this saying that mayhem died when dead killed himself. What do you think?

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He deserved to die? Not sure i agree with that but i guess that's conjecture since there seems to be a lot of contrary opinions on the man. I disagree also they've done some great albums since he died. They're not AS good as DMDS in my opinion alone but i definitely think Ordo Ad Chao for instance was fantastic and worth them sticking it out as a band.

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This is a real "toys out of pram, my favourite band aren't cvlt enough anymore" thread. Nobody "deserves" to be killed for being a twat, it's not how humanity works. It really pisses me off when a bands initial or first few releases that are career (or even genre) defining are used against them as a stick to beat them with on further releases. It's fine to acknowledge and celebrate a release or string of releases that are meaningful and long lasting in terms of an impact in music but if you acknowledge things will never be like that again what are you sat around waiting for?

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Better? No. Different? Yes.
Well yes, agreed after more contemplation. There's much rather unimpressive Blasphemer stuff, but the reason why I said that is Wolf's Lair Abyss and Ordo Ad Chao. The former has I Am Thy Labyrinth and most notably Fall of Seraphs, which are just pure fucking armageddon. There was some pretty good progressive/experimental stuff on Grand Declaration, and then Ordo Ad Chao I consider an epic masterpiece of wicked darkness that totally overshadows Mysteriis. Then again, Blasphemer Mayhem had many years to develop. And three albums. Euronymous had one actual album, and he was dead on release. I'm really, REALLY curious how Mayhem would have been on the third or fourth album with Euronymous. Emperor says the opening to Ye Entrancemperium was a Euronymous riff, and it kills. But more interesting imo than where Mayhem would be today is: where would black metal be today if Euronymous was still alive?
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Hard to say really. Either way, Blasphemer is an awesome player and songwriter, participating in other great bands like Aura Noir. I think that he would have been given just as much shit if he had just tried to fill Euronymous' shoes than taking Mayhem's sound and going his own way with it, and the route he took did have identity and class.

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If Euro was still alive? Maybe we wouldn't have juvenile, death-obsessed morons hero-worshipping either him or Varg, feeling like they need to take sides, and starting forum threads about it more than two decades after the fact. Maybe Varg would have avoided making ambient pony unicorn campfire music. Maybe Scandinavian BM wouldn't have gained as much notoriety. Maybe some other scenes would have more of a share of the limelight. Maybe they would have burned more churches. It really is a tough question.

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Well probably he'd have ended up in jail with Varg, for various criminal activities, like arson and manslaughter. And like Varg, he might slowly fade into obscurity in prison while the world went on outside. So maybe it wouldn't be all that different. "The day Burzum killed Mayhem" is a bit ironic really, Mayhem went on but Burzum came to a dead end. Rather like "the day Burzum killed Burzum".

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Well probably he'd have ended up in jail with Varg, for various criminal activities, like arson and manslaughter. And like Varg, he might slowly fade into obscurity in prison while the world went on outside. So maybe it wouldn't be all that different. "The day Burzum killed Mayhem" is a bit ironic really, Mayhem went on but Burzum came to a dead end. Rather like "the day Burzum killed Burzum".
Well, I don't know of many people who wouldn't accuse Kanwulf of being a clown...
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Well' date=' I don't know of many people who wouldn't accuse Kanwulf of being a clown...[/quote'] Not sure how my post reminded you of Kanwulf, but heh yes... appearing in a crappy talk show about a flatmate who doesn't like his looks F-_Z3jQ2MrQ This is so black metal to be brutally honest
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There's no doubting that Euronymous was Mayhem, but I don't think the band necessarily should have ended when he died. Maybe it was the right thing for it to end, but I certainly got a lot out of the band from Blasphemer's time. 

These days though I really think they should stop. They just have a random guitar player now who also writes all the music and arranges it. 'Esoteric Warfare' was really underwhelming and live they suck with this new guy too. They should let it go now. 

Also, Dead wasn't Mayhem! Yes, he's a legend, but Mayhem were around before Dead and they were around after Dead (obviously). 

And there's no way Euronymous deserved to die. He was inspirational. 

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Honestly, I really like the post-Euronymous Mayhem.  I was introduced to the band with "Chimera," and it is still one of my favorite albums.  I think that "Grand Declaration of War" was also really good because it was something completely different from anything else they (or any other bm band, really) had done before.

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Honestly, I really like the post-Euronymous Mayhem.  I was introduced to the band with "Chimera," and it is still one of my favorite albums.  I think that "Grand Declaration of War" was also really good because it was something completely different from anything else they (or any other bm band, really) had done before.
Grand Declaration of War is brilliant. That's where they were at the time, and the owned it instead of merely trying to relive past glories with a new songwriter. Blasphemer is an incredible guitar player and wrote some really imaginative stuff on that album.

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24 minutes ago, BlutAusNerd said:

Grand Declaration of War is brilliant. That's where they were at the time, and the owned it instead of merely trying to relive past glories with a new songwriter. Blasphemer is an incredible guitar player and wrote some really imaginative stuff on that album.

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I had my moment in time with Grand Declaration, and the show I saw on that tour remains one of the better BM shows I've seen, but I haven't vibed with the album in years. Every time I've put it on in the past few years, it falls flat. I hate to say it.

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