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34 minutes ago, Sisa Belial said:

FatherAlabaster: So you knew the 11 rules.  I could have done without typing them out lol Anton Lavey and the church of Satan are closely linked off course. 

 

GorboGorboze: The Four Agreements, is that the toltec book?

 

 

 

 

 

It's been so long since I read LaVey - nearly twenty years. Didn't recall those until I read your post, so again, thanks for sharing. I hope I won't offend you by saying that I think some of those LaVeyan rituals are particularly goofy.

 I only started reading things about the "Satanic Temple" recently, in connection with their political activities. They're not LaVeyan, it seems they're more in line with what Gorbo mentioned - a protest organization. I wouldn't consider myself a joiner, but I liked their "seven precepts", which I've copied to paste here. 

  • One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
  • The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
  • One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
  • The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.
  • Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.
  • People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
  • Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
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15 minutes ago, FatherAlabaster said:

It's been so long since I read LaVey - nearly twenty years. Didn't recall those until I read your post, so again, thanks for sharing. I hope I won't offend you by saying that I think some of those LaVeyan rituals are particularly goofy.

 I only started reading things about the "Satanic Temple" recently, in connection with their political activities. They're not LaVeyan, it seems they're more in line with what Gorbo mentioned - a protest organization. I wouldn't consider myself a joiner, but I liked their "seven precepts", which I've copied to paste here. 

  • One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
  • The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
  • One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
  • The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.
  • Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.
  • People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
  • Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

 To be honest I don't have a high opinion about Lavey, it just so happens that I can relate more to some of the things he says than anything else I have come across. Some of his rituals are goofy. I don't follow the rules as strict as you might think. I do share my opinion unasked. I have been known to chat up guys very bluntly. I'm not sure if I believe in magic. And I don't destroy people nor can I be merciless. 

But it's still close enough to how I live my life.

Those 7 precepts are quite good, what is the exact name of that book? The Satanic Temple? 

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It's been years since I've really contemplated any religious or pseudo-religious texts. LaVey was basically spruiking ethical egoism IIRC but with a faux-religious element. I consider myself an atheist and have done for years. It isn't that I don't believe religion has something to offer the world only that I doubt there is a God.

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10 hours ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

It's been years since I've really contemplated any religious or pseudo-religious texts. LaVey was basically spruiking ethical egoism IIRC but with a faux-religious element. I consider myself an atheist and have done for years. It isn't that I don't believe religion has something to offer the world only that I doubt there is a God.

The point of religion is to teach between right and wrong and offer people hope when needed. The belief that there is an almighty force and that there is an afterlife after death is comforting to many. Unfortunately I don't think people are suitable for religion as it's in human nature to manipulate everything to their own needs and beliefs. Look at the whole drama with the Muslim belief at the moment, anyone that read the Qu'Ran knows genuine Muslims would not murder anyone, nor do anything that could remotely be considered terrorism. These are radicals that abuse religion to their own needs, like the crusaders did before. Neither the bible nor the Qu'Ran not the Kaballah approve of murder, yet Christians, Muslims and Jews are responsible for millions of deaths in the name of God/ Allah. 

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10 hours ago, RelentlessOblivion said: It's been years since I've really contemplated any religious or pseudo-religious texts. LaVey was basically spruiking ethical egoism IIRC but with a faux-religious element. I consider myself an atheist and have done for years. It isn't that I don't believe religion has something to offer the world only that I doubt there is a God.

The point of religion is to teach between right and wrong and offer people hope when needed. The belief that there is an almighty force and that there is an afterlife after death is comforting to many. Unfortunately I don't think people are suitable for religion as it's in human nature to manipulate everything to their own needs and beliefs. Look at the whole drama with the Muslim belief at the moment, anyone that read the Qu'Ran knows genuine Muslims would not murder anyone, nor do anything that could remotely be considered terrorism. These are radicals that abuse religion to their own needs, like the crusaders did before. Neither the bible nor the Qu'Ran not the Kaballah approve of murder, yet Christians, Muslims and Jews are responsible for millions of deaths in the name of God/ Allah. 

Extremism doesn't just exist in religion, but since religion deals with such heavy topics as death, morality, and metaphysics/epistemology, the fear that discussion of those topics generates among the insecure can be a powerful motivator. A world with possibilities and gray areas is far too scary, as that means that you're not the only person who can be right, or even worse, that you're wrong. I think that is why left hand path/contrarian philosophies and beliefs have gained so much traction, as they encourage action based upon what feels right, as opposed to fear of the consequences.

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Yes I am. In Italy I think it's a routine. You born and you have to be baptized.

My family is religious so this is why I am, but I don't care religion and catholic church even if I already have other sacraments. Of course, in case I'll have children, I'm not going to baptize them and let them choose their religion when they will be older.

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1 hour ago, BlutAusNerd said:

Extremism doesn't just exist in religion, but since religion deals with such heavy topics as death, morality, and metaphysics/epistemology, the fear that discussion of those topics generates among the insecure can be a powerful motivator. A world with possibilities and gray areas is far too scary, as that means that you're not the only person who can be right, or even worse, that you're wrong. I think that is why left hand path/contrarian philosophies and beliefs have gained so much traction, as they encourage action based upon what feels right, as opposed to fear of the consequences.

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I believe it was the Hindus that can take multiple religions in case one of them is right. Religion isn't the problem, it's the way it is pulled out of context and abused. 

 

43 minutes ago, Novembrine_Waltz said:

Yes I am. In Italy I think it's a routine. You born and you have to be baptized.

My family is religious so this is why I am, but I don't care religion and catholic church even if I already have other sacraments. Of course, in case I'll have children, I'm not going to baptize them and let them choose their religion when they will be older.

Believe it or not, I allowed my kids to be baptized in to Catholicism. It meant a lot to my in laws and because I was raised an atheist I felt I was opinionated. I want to teach my kids to think and make up their own minds, I don't want to tell them what to think. It also meant they would have the same chances as any other child here in rural Catholic Ireland where not being Catholic is frowned upon and means you could be rejected for the Catholic primary schools. Turns out my kids are now going to the only Protestant school in the wide area because it's a 2 minute walk from the house I live in now, but I didn't know that at the time. So my kids are baptized, they also done communion and confirmation (my eldest daughter anyway, the other two are too young for conformation yet). Off course we have discussions about religion when they come home from school quoting scriptures of the bible as true, I recently introduced the two youngest ones to a healthy dose of Darwinism when they claimed Adam and Eve where the first people on earth. Can't avoid religion where I live I'm afraid. Every time I am summoned in mass I have a 4 person escort to insure I don't cause trouble lol

 

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Those with power manipulate the disadvantaged every day. If religious justifications weren't used the reasons would be economic or political or "humanitarian" bottom line is that individuals are responsible for their actions not religion.

Exactly. I've used the comparison that religion is just a tool, but is a powerful one like a gun. Despite that, it is still the person pulling the trigger and for what purpose that is to blame, the tool itself is inert.

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12 hours ago, Sisa Belial said:

Believe it or not, I allowed my kids to be baptized in to Catholicism. It meant a lot to my in laws and because I was raised an atheist I felt I was opinionated. I want to teach my kids to think and make up their own minds, I don't want to tell them what to think. It also meant they would have the same chances as any other child here in rural Catholic Ireland where not being Catholic is frowned upon and means you could be rejected for the Catholic primary schools. Turns out my kids are now going to the only Protestant school in the wide area because it's a 2 minute walk from the house I live in now, but I didn't know that at the time. So my kids are baptized, they also done communion and confirmation (my eldest daughter anyway, the other two are too young for conformation yet). Off course we have discussions about religion when they come home from school quoting scriptures of the bible as true, I recently introduced the two youngest ones to a healthy dose of Darwinism when they claimed Adam and Eve where the first people on earth. Can't avoid religion where I live I'm afraid. Every time I am summoned in mass I have a 4 person escort to insure I don't cause trouble lol

 

I can understand your situation, you live in a different country and sometimes you feel as forced to do what is common there.

Here in Italy we should be a laic (?) state even if we have the Pope, a lot of clerical insitution, the Vatican City... And is hard to find people who is very into the religion to think that you are not baptized so you are something like "different". And I still hope there will be not people like that here in Italy or where I will go to live in the future. I'm so happy to give my children the possibily to choose if they want to believe in something or not. I'm not really atheist, I like to think about myself as a religious person who has her personal thought about everything. Is the same for me about the italian politics. That's why you can't say about me that I'm on the letf or on the right side. I'm on both depending on the topic.

I will of course let my children know about different religions, maybe say them something about god. If they would like to be pagan, catholic or protestant or something else for me it's ok. But of course I'm afraid about the "fundamentalists" so before religion I have to teach them life. Then they will chose their path. Whatever it is. But if you are a good teacher I think they will automatically "choose" the best for them. Or maybe I hope :D 

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Even though my home town is nicknamed "The City Of Churches" I very rarely encounter people who care strongly about religion, or at least not many who are vocal about it, so I consider myself quite lucky. Having said that I have been called a Satanist or devil worshipper for my choice of clothing once or twice. Nothing on the JW missionaries who told me I am vision impaired because I have not allowed God into my life. It goes back to what I said earlier some people are just cruel and justify their actions in which ever way suits their needs.

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8 hours ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

Even though my home town is nicknamed "The City Of Churches" I very rarely encounter people who care strongly about religion, or at least not many who are vocal about it, so I consider myself quite lucky. Having said that I have been called a Satanist or devil worshipper for my choice of clothing once or twice. Nothing on the JW missionaries who told me I am vision impaired because I have not allowed God into my life. It goes back to what I said earlier some people are just cruel and justify their actions in which ever way suits their needs.

 

I get called satanic all the time. I suppose always wearing black and black metal tshirts and hoodies and painting satanic symbols on everything isn't helping the matter but I honestly don't care. I like it that some people are scared of me. Funny enough it seems I'm starting to grow on people here. That will probably change once I put all my zombie gnomes in the front garden lol

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I used to wear a cross as a good luck charm (most of the good things to happen in my life were whilst wearing it) but the clasp broke and I lost it. I feel people are free to believe what they wish. That right stops however where it impacts the life of another. It isn't the pushing of beliefs that I refer to but the refusal to take responsibility (blaming an autistic child's behaviour on demons) and the failure to seek proper medical treatment when it is needed.

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I was baptized when I was 11. After that, I started reading the Bible a lot, and I had a strong relationship with God. But nowadays, I usually go back and forth between Christianity and being non-religious. At some point in our lives, we begin to question whether or not there really is a God, and if there is one, who is it? I wish everyone knew the answer.

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I honestly don't know if I was baptized, I don't really care if I was or not. Does it really change my relationship with God? Maybe. I personally think that a little bit of holy water won't do jack shit, especially if the kid turns out to be a self righteous church fuck. I despise most Christians for that shit. I don't go to church because I don't want to deal with the assholes there. You know which ones I'm talking about. And then why do I need to go to church to talk to God anyways? I can do it in my room. I could probably write a book about it. I just know that I have to be a caring and compassionate person, work hard, but also enjoy what life has to offer (like smashing this fucking keyboard for sticking lately, and beer, and love, and beer...), and of course keep the big man upstairs in my thoughts. Otherwise known as, accepting Jesus as my lord and savior. (I'm not trying to be preachy I promise but it always sounds that way when you say it like that :3)

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14 hours ago, salmonellapancake said:

I was baptized and even confirmed at the Episcopal Church I went to growing up. Then I read the Satanic Bible and never looked back.

I found that book interesting (although some of the best parts are plagiarized from Redbeard's Might Is Right). Also, it seemed the way the book regards both magic and morals is a little inconsistent.

Are you a LaVeyen Satanist, or did it's general message just open your eyes?

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9 hours ago, Will said:

I found that book interesting (although some of the best parts are plagiarized from Redbeard's Might Is Right). Also, it seemed the way the book regards both magic and morals is a little inconsistent.

Are you a LaVeyen Satanist, or did it's general message just open your eyes?

I wouldn't call myself a Laveyan Satanist, but yes, it did open my eyes and make me think about spirituality in a different way. And yes the book is full of examples of inconsistency, but I take its words with a grain of salt and try to appreciate the overall message.

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2 hours ago, salmonellapancake said:

I wouldn't call myself a Laveyan Satanist, but yes, it did open my eyes and make me think about spirituality in a different way. And yes the book is full of examples of inconsistency, but I take its words with a grain of salt and try to appreciate the overall message.

Makes sense, that pretty much what I got out of it.

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I'm baptised, but I didn't have a choice in the matter, my parents, or more so my mother would have been the person who got the final say. I haven't been inside a church since my cousins wedding in the 90's and that was one of those big 150 year old churches with all the bells and whistles, and a fucking huge pipe organ that my other cousin got to play before the guests came in. I don't have any connection to a religion and I don't have any issues with people who do, but I did get bored with going to church when I was about 5 years old when my mother insisted I go to Sunday School. Although it might have been that I just hated the word 'school', because I'd had also enough of eduction by the time I was 8. I didn't think I knew everything, I just didn't think I needed to know anything more.  I do however love the structure and make up of old churches though, especially when you look at them from a different angle!

 

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On 9/19/2021 at 11:39 PM, KillaKukumba said:

I'm baptised, but I didn't have a choice in the matter, my parents, or more so my mother would have been the person who got the final say. I haven't been inside a church since my cousins wedding in the 90's and that was one of those big 150 year old churches with all the bells and whistles, and a fucking huge pipe organ that my other cousin got to play before the guests came in. I don't have any connection to a religion and I don't have any issues with people who do, but I did get bored with going to church when I was about 5 years old when my mother insisted I go to Sunday School. Although it might have been that I just hated the word 'school', because I'd had also enough of eduction by the time I was 8. I didn't think I knew everything, I just didn't think I needed to know anything more.  I do however love the structure and make up of old churches though, especially when you look at them from a different angle!

 

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reminds me of fighter jets from a previous job. duh me 😁 i was not flying them. we just provided water services on the base. is that the new one the Chinese have😂

tbh what you say happened to you is rubbish. forced baptisms. not good imo. at least i chose to be baptized. thanks for sharing though. i can understand why people are bit against christianity as can be bit divisive but i live more positive life going to church a bit than not. 

have you seen father ted tv comedy. i expect so. so good. 

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To be fair to my parents, I didn't and wouldn't have argued about being baptised, I was about 2 weeks old. I probably wore a Christening dress too because that was a thing back then, but I didn't argue. My mother would loved us kids to grow up more religious than we are, just like she did, but she knew that wasn't going to happen by the time we got into our teens. Even she's not as religious now as she claims she wants to be and only turns up to church a few times a year. Being forced to go to Sunday School back then was also different, Sunday morning Mum was in church and she needed to do something with us kids, and Sunday School was little more than free day care. I'm not against any religion, I'm only against the people who use it (any religion) to be crappy to each other.

I have seen Father Ted, but when it comes to my religious viewing habits I'd rather watch Jimmy Swaggart! Haha only kidding, I'm more of a Vicar Of Dibbly fan.

 

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