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I haven't encountered any metalcore or deathcore bands which I have liked yet. I don't doubt there will be some which may appeal to me but I don't much feel like wading through a ton of bands which make me want to bang my head against a wall repeatedly in order to find them. oh and @Deathstorm mate not really the right place for that anyway back to the matter at hand. I personally feel Dehumanizer is Black Sabbath's best album. I come back to it more then anything else in their discography. I also think Sabotage is the best Ozzy-era Sabbath record and feel the debut is among their worst records.

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I haven't encountered any metalcore or deathcore bands which I have liked yet. I don't doubt there will be some which may appeal to me but I don't much feel like wading through a ton of bands which make me want to bang my head against a wall repeatedly in order to find them. oh and @Deathstorm mate not really the right place for that anyway back to the matter at hand. I personally feel Dehumanizer is Black Sabbath's best album. I come back to it more then anything else in their discography. I also think Sabotage is the best Ozzy-era Sabbath record and feel the debut is among their worst records.
Listen to Ksmash's band Burn Your World, metalcore with riffs is the way to go. It took me a while to adjust to hardcore vocals, so don't worry about that much if they don't do it for you right off the bat, they grow on you. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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What are EMGs?
They're those active pickups you find in a lot of "metal" guitars over the past few years. That means they're battery-powered, as opposed to most "passive" magnetic pickups, which use the string's vibration to create a current. I hate playing through them. They sound like plastic to me, they just suck the life and character out of whatever guitar I hear them in. It's like plugging any guitar into a crappy modeling amp - they all sound the same. The best choice I made with my Steinberger was removing all the fancy electronics and putting my old Gibson 498T in the bridge position.
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finding it hard to realise what metal-core is. If it means Hatebreed I'm all for it' date=' if it means soft metal with emo/pop-rock vocals , not so.[/quote'] Metalcore is metal + hardcore, and old Hatebreed would qualify. Melodic metalcore is usually emo mixed with some elements found in melodic death metal, as well as metalcore breakdowns, so calling these bands metalcore is a bit misleading. My favorite metalcore band is probably Ringworm, give them a listen if you want to know what metalcore should sound like. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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not 100 percent sure what a breakdown is either. Is the die die part of Creeping Death a breakdown? also I always thought thrash was a mix of punk and metal anyway, I mean the punkiest thrash, like 80s Anthrax. I can't tell much of a difference between that and Hatebreed, unless that would be considered core if it came out today. I'm really out of the loop on music.

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not 100 percent sure what a breakdown is either. Is the die die part of Creeping Death a breakdown? also I always thought thrash was a mix of punk and metal anyway, I mean the punkiest thrash, like 80s Anthrax. I can't tell much of a difference between that and Hatebreed, unless that would be considered core if it came out today. I'm really out of the loop on music.
Yes about Creeping Death, although the best example from early Metallica (sticking to a theme here for clarity) would be the single-note riff in "One". You know, "Darkness, imprisoning me, all that I see, absolute horror" etc. It pretty much set the stage for modern breakdowns, and the case of that song they actually build on top of the simple foundation riff with the higher notes. Also of note would be Slayer's single-note chugs in the middle of "Raining Blood", which they also build on. Thrash is indeed a big part of why metalcore exists today, and a lot of the "crossover" bands (DRI, COC, SOD) were apparently called metalcore by some people as well (or so the older dudes tell me, I wasn't around then).
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not 100 percent sure what a breakdown is either. Is the die die part of Creeping Death a breakdown? also I always thought thrash was a mix of punk and metal anyway, I mean the punkiest thrash, like 80s Anthrax. I can't tell much of a difference between that and Hatebreed, unless that would be considered core if it came out today. I'm really out of the loop on music.
Hah, I guess it depends who you ask. The only music I've ever heard called "metalcore" is the emo-pop-whiny-screamy stuff that uses breakdowns and occasionally rips off a Maiden riff. I'm not huge on that genre, but I like a lot of stuff with hardcore influences. I think there's always been a lot of crossover between punk/hardcore and metal, so I don't usually find the labels useful. The Burn Your World stuff is cool! I wouldn't call it metalcore, but I don't really know what else I'd call it. You're totally right, though, thrash came out of punk. Assuck's vocalist did an interview a while ago where somebody asked him about being a metal musician - he said he's never thought of their music as metal, to him it's just hardcore with gruff vocals instead of screams. Off the top of my head, some bands I really dig that have hardcore influences: Assuck, Converge, Dillinger Escape Plan, Discordance Axis, Neurosis, Isis, Swans, Disfear, Melvins (who were at one point called "slowcore"), Carnivore... I even like the first Red Chord album... And anyone remember a band called Oroku, that had a cello player? They were pretty cool. Transient's live set blew me away, like I already said. I suppose Fit For An Autopsy's breakdowns and vocal approach net them a "-core" suffix as well. I dunno. I find that I like a lot more different bands if I'm not focused on where they fit in. That's just me...
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Hah, I guess it depends who you ask. The only music I've ever heard called "metalcore" is the emo-pop-whiny-screamy stuff that uses breakdowns and occasionally rips off a Maiden riff. I'm not huge on that genre, but I like a lot of stuff with hardcore influences. I think there's always been a lot of crossover between punk/hardcore and metal, so I don't usually find the labels useful. The Burn Your World stuff is cool! I wouldn't call it metalcore, but I don't really know what else I'd call it. You're totally right, though, thrash came out of punk. Assuck's vocalist did an interview a while ago where somebody asked him about being a metal musician - he said he's never thought of their music as metal, to him it's just hardcore with gruff vocals instead of screams. Off the top of my head, some bands I really dig that have hardcore influences: Assuck, Converge, Dillinger Escape Plan, Discordance Axis, Neurosis, Isis, Swans, Disfear, Melvins (who were at one point called "slowcore"), Carnivore... I even like the first Red Chord album... And anyone remember a band called Oroku, that had a cello player? They were pretty cool. Transient's live set blew me away, like I already said. I suppose Fit For An Autopsy's breakdowns and vocal approach net them a "-core" suffix as well. I dunno. I find that I like a lot more different bands if I'm not focused on where they fit in. That's just me...
Some people called crossover "metalcore" back in the day, you can even hear DRI being announced as such at a live recording, as they did combine thrash metal and American hardcore punk. However, most people commonly associate the term "metalcore" with bands like Ringworm, Integrity, Cursed, Converge, etc..., which evolved into incorporating melodic death metal riffs, especially in the northeast with bands like Shadows Fall and Overcast. Then pop music got its hooks in it, and pulled it down into emo territory, which you'll hear from bands like As I Lay Dying, Trivium, Atreyu, etc... Comparing the earlier bands listed with the later ones shows just how different the two are, and why I typically refer to the later bands as emocore or mallcore, because they don't really sound anything like metalcore bands. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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Well, thanks for the Burn Your World shout-outs guys! Actually on that note, it's funny how many different ways we've been described. Hell, look at our genre label on the Metal Archives! Some people would call it a bad thing, but personally I like confusing people with our music :] I would call it "blackened deathcore", since the deathcore bands I like flirt with grind and sludge, but I would also settle for metalcore due to it's use as an umbrella term. The other band dudes in this forum have probably had similar experiences with people trying to describe their music. BAN and NTNR's band Nevertanezra is prog/doom/death, but some people can't seem to handle that they don't stick to the conventional aspects of any of those sub-genres. FA, haven't you heard some weird attempts at describing Black Harvest? I think this stuff is relevant to the thread because bands that defy or just ignore perceived lines between sub-genres can cause controversy in metal circles! A lot of the metal community seems to want everything to fit so nicely into a little box. To me, there's nothing wrong with conventional bands that are explicitly thrash or death or black etc... but when bands push past the borders, people flip out in strange ways!

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See, I guess this is why the genre-subgenre-label thing doesn't always make sense to me. I think it's a regional thing, and also a matter of how inclusive you're being. I call Converge "hardcore" and Assuck "death/grind" and Trivium "garbage"... but it's really a lot of tomayto, tomahto. My "controversial" assertion for this evening: David Draiman actually has a good voice.:D

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You know guys. There are deathcore. That are becoming. More death metal like job for a cowboy.
I can't get into those guys, but I will say this: some people seem to think that if a band started off with some commercial "core" influence, then if they later drop some of that and go in a more purist "death" or "thrash" direction, they're just trend-hopping and they lack artistic integrity. It's like commercialism is a brush that tars you forever. I don't necessarily agree; I think a lot of these bands started off pretty young and their tastes probably evolved after they got pushed into the spotlight. The market right now seems geared towards selling "legitimacy" (whatever that really means - integrity? sincerity?) as part of a band's image. Funny how that works... it feels like the bands that try a different approach are seen in the same light as politicians who flip-flop, like you're supposed to nail your colors to the mast and never change your mind about anything. I've been a musician for at least two-thirds of my life so far... It doesn't really work that way. I'm glad the industry took such a hit, because I think they were driving that genre-specific mentality.
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Well' date=' thanks for the Burn Your World shout-outs guys! Actually on that note, it's funny how many different ways we've been described. Hell, look at our genre label on the Metal Archives! Some people would call it a bad thing, but personally I like confusing people with our music :'] I would call it "blackened deathcore", since the deathcore bands I like flirt with grind and sludge, but I would also settle for metalcore due to it's use as an umbrella term. The other band dudes in this forum have probably had similar experiences with people trying to describe their music. BAN and NTNR's band Nevertanezra is prog/doom/death, but some people can't seem to handle that they don't stick to the conventional aspects of any of those sub-genres. FA, haven't you heard some weird attempts at describing Black Harvest? I think this stuff is relevant to the thread because bands that defy or just ignore perceived lines between sub-genres can cause controversy in metal circles! A lot of the metal community seems to want everything to fit so nicely into a little box. To me, there's nothing wrong with conventional bands that are explicitly thrash or death or black etc... but when bands push past the borders, people flip out in strange ways!
I didn't know you guys finally got "accepted" there, lol. That is a pretty long label, and there is more in there than that, which is why I typically call you guys "metalcore" instead of black/death/hardcore/grindcore/crust/sludge/thrash. You guys are mixing lots of different sides of metal and hardcore, so simplifying the overall title helps, but it doesn't take away from many of the elements in it. As you put it, it is a bit of an umbrella term, sort of like "extreme metal". Mike and I have more than just death and doom metal in our sound, but since those elements are by far the most predominant, that's the label we go with. It doesn't exclude us from other things (like fucking thrash breaks), it just gives you a general idea of what you might expect. We don't like to add "progressive" onto it, because people tend to hear that and think of wanky pretentious bullshit, but it is an apt label, as we have a progressive way of writing our songs. Avant-garde may even be more appropriate, but until the new songs, we may not have been far enough out in left field for that to be fitting. The music needs what it needs, and when the creators of any given genre were writing music, they didn't have any barriers to stop them from doing what they wanted and defining themselves, neither should anyone else as long as it fits the mood/flow. Creativity can exist within genre boundaries, but it doesn't seem as easy to cultivate. Genres should fit around bands to give people an idea of what they may sound like, bands should not force themselves into genres. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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@KSMASH, yeah, I've heard some strange things about my band. I don't honestly know what I'd call it anymore, myself, so I guess I'd welcome an attempt - I just stick with "melodic death metal with black metal and progressive influences". What bothers me is when people go out on a limb and assume I listen to particular bands, especially if they're writing a review. I know a bunch of other musicians this has happened to and you basically can't respond to it because you look like a little kid if you do. I recall one reviewer for my first album who said I was "heavily indebted to Agalloch", and it honestly pissed me off, because that was the first I'd ever heard of Agalloch. Nothing against the band; it just wasn't true. So now I try to be really up front about my influences. But yeah, describing my own stuff to other people is difficult, and self-marketing for me is almost impossible. I have a hard time even typing about it on here... It just feels weird.:D As far as your band, I wouldn't call it metalcore at all, mostly because the only associations I've ever had with metalcore are Shadows Fall/Killswitch/Trivium/ugh.

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