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58 minutes ago, MacabreEternal said:

Yeah, Benton is a knob.  Regardless of this I don't believe you can't make decent music if you are a knob.  Deicide are important in my evolution of DM and their debut ranks as one of my all time favourites.  I don't really care about their Satanic tendencies as long as i enjoy the music, the bad albums i just ignore.

There are plenty of talented knobs out there for sure, and I'll suffer them if they're making good music, but I do draw the line at truly horrid people. That said - even though Varg is a murdering racist nut job, I don't seem to feel the need to draw that line. But for Benton I do. Perhaps it's because I love animals, and he likes to burn rodents and pull the tails off lizards. I probably do tend to dislike people who hurt animals more than those who hurt people. Add that to everything else that's wrong about him/them, and the scales are definitely tipped for me.

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7 minutes ago, Thrashman said:

There are plenty of talented knobs out there for sure, and I'll suffer them if they're making good music, but I do draw the line at truly horrid people. That said - even though Varg is a murdering racist nut job, I don't seem to feel the need to draw that line. But for Benton I do. Perhaps it's because I love animals, and he likes to burn rodents and pull the tails off lizards. I probably do tend to dislike people who hurt animals more than those who hurt people. Add that to everything else that's wrong about him/them, and the scales are definitely tipped for me.

Fair play to you.  I love animals too I just can separate the man from the music better I suppose.  You're not wrong to make your stand, we're just different. 

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Deserted my principles and picked up a copy of Once Upon The Cross recently, to replace the one I lost/got rid of years ago. Definitely a good album. Could count the number of Deicide tracks I've really liked since that album on one hand, though; and have never really got into the first two, much as I know that's probably blashemy (pun intended)...  I should probably revisit all the albums at some point, now that I've deserted the aforementioned principles - see if I like any of them more.

 

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16 minutes ago, Thrashman said:

Deserted my principles and picked up a copy of Once Upon The Cross recently, to replace the one I lost/got rid of years ago. Definitely a good album. Could count the number of Deicide tracks I've really liked since that album on one hand, though; and have never really got into the first two, much as I know that's probably blashemy (pun intended)...  I should probably revisit all the albums at some point, now that I've deserted the aforementioned principles - see if I like any of them more.

 

Once Upon The Cross was the one that really sold me on Deicide when I was a teenager... it's also (for me) their last good album. Legion is my top pick - ugly, nasty, barely controlled.

 

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12 minutes ago, FatherAlabaster said:

Once Upon The Cross was the one that really sold me on Deicide when I was a teenager... it's also (for me) their last good album. Legion is my top pick - ugly, nasty, barely controlled.

 

Ooh, it could be the alcohol talking but I really enjoyed that.

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I think Deicide is a solid band but nothing stellar. Once Upon the Cross is probably my favourite of theirs. I even don't mind their maligned mid-era albums of the early 00s. Having a character like Glen Benton in the band helps to propel them further than the usual cast of nameless faces in jeans and t-shirts.  

 

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The old saying any publicity is good publicity certainly applies to Deicide. I don't believe they would be as successful without all the controversy Benton causes. That being said it's a catch 22 for the band. If they aren't controversial then they don't get noticed as much and no one really talks about them. It's just another band who live on their image and not their music.

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I think that's part of it, also timing in making a name for themselves during death metal's golden era and establishing a vital connection with fans. But, personally, I am drawn to theatrics and characters in bands who stand out. His vocals and presence is something easily recognizable on albums, and too often death metal bands have a boring image or do nothing to distinguish themselves from the grey morass of others. When I hear a song of theirs (regardless of quality) I instantly think Deicide, not just another band who sounds and probably looks like Suffocation or Immolation or some other... 

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Maybe I should get hold of ‘Once Upon the Cross’, as I only have ‘Stench of Redemption’ and probably need one more album to give me some options when it comes to CDs gun Deicide. 

The first and last songs on ‘Stench’ are brilliant, but apparently very melodic for this band, which has always been an impediment to my consumption of their deathly wares. 

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I like that Deicide has a few songs about cults/cult leaders, ("Lunatic of God's Creation", "Carnage in the Temple of the Damned").  This instance of postmodern cross-pollination interests me because of the similarity of the weird cults of the Sixties and Seventies and the groupthink, hazing and idol worship found in certain circles of underground metal (Norwegian black metal scene around Helvete record shop first comes to mind).  

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