black metal death metal vocals

[Joseph Lote]

For those here who are vocalists whats the best way to train your vocals without damaging them and sing longer than 5 Minutes without your throat feeling like its been rubbed by sand paper????

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: black metal death metal vocals

For those here who are vocalists whats the best way to train your vocals without damaging them and sing longer than 5 Minutes without your throat feeling like its been rubbed by sand paper????

If it's messing up your throat, then you are using your throat too much. You need to push the air from your diaphragm, not your throat, your throat should only be used to control the tone. The same muscles are used as when you sigh heavily, practice that to know where to push from. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[FatherAlabaster]

+1 to good advice from BAN. You need to learn to sing while keeping your neck and chest relaxed. Here are a couple of tips: 1) Take a few deep breaths while laying flat on your back, and see how it moves your lower abdomen but not your ribcage. That's the same kind of breathing you're shooting for when you sing. 2) Yell "hey" like you were yelling to someone across the street. Do it a couple of times. Then, try yelling but holding that note that you just hit. It doesn't matter how it sounds, you should feel relaxed and natural. If you're tensing up, you're doing it wrong! I'd also say, practice clean singing even if you suck at it - it's great for enunciation and breath control. And remember, DON'T go for volume right off the bat. You shouldn't be pushing yourself to go louder than your natural speaking voice AT ANY TIME. I've seen some people recommend going for full volume - this is the worst thing you can possibly do. Tone first, volume later. The more you learn to relax, the louder and better your voice will sound.

[Joseph Lote]

Could it alslo be that my throat isnt lubricated enough. Cause when i first sing my throat is fine then it dries out quick. Any suggestions on that?

[FatherAlabaster]

Drink more water. Do it beforehand. Your vocal cords take some time to hydrate. Also, it kind of hurts when you're starting off anyway, so just practice. If you start losing your voice, you're pushing too hard.

[metaljoe06]

Thanks for the advice...i changed accounts thats why my name is different didnt.want to use my facebook...thanks again...

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: black metal death metal vocals

+1 to good advice from BAN. You need to learn to sing while keeping your neck and chest relaxed. Here are a couple of tips: 1) Take a few deep breaths while laying flat on your back, and see how it moves your lower abdomen but not your ribcage. That's the same kind of breathing you're shooting for when you sing. 2) Yell "hey" like you were yelling to someone across the street. Do it a couple of times. Then, try yelling but holding that note that you just hit. It doesn't matter how it sounds, you should feel relaxed and natural. If you're tensing up, you're doing it wrong! I'd also say, practice clean singing even if you suck at it - it's great for enunciation and breath control. And remember, DON'T go for volume right off the bat. You shouldn't be pushing yourself to go louder than your natural speaking voice AT ANY TIME. I've seen some people recommend going for full volume - this is the worst thing you can possibly do. Tone first, volume later. The more you learn to relax, the louder and better your voice will sound.

I had to go for high volume to get it, I honestly can't vocalize quietly. At every show I've ever played I've had to tell the sound tech to turn the volume way down, I guess there aren't many people that can get my volume. When our PA went down at our jam space, the guys could still hear my vocals clearly while we were playing. It would be nice to figure out how to do it more quietly, as it makes practicing vocals difficult, I need to be playing music loud to not drown it out. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[FatherAlabaster]

I had to go for high volume to get it, I honestly can't vocalize quietly. At every show I've ever played I've had to tell the sound tech to turn the volume way down, I guess there aren't many people that can get my volume. When our PA went down at our jam space, the guys could still hear my vocals clearly while we were playing. It would be nice to figure out how to do it more quietly, as it makes practicing vocals difficult, I need to be playing music loud to not drown it out. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

You're lucky. I've recorded a few loud vocalists, and a few like me who tend to vocalize around conversation level. My clean singing voice is louder than my growl when I'm doing them both properly, which is something I've heard from guys like Akerfeldt as well. Everybody is different. When I was younger, I pushed hard for tone. Part of the reason I had to push so hard is because I would tense up my neck and chest, which is a pretty common thing people do when shooting for volume. So I was trying to be too loud, and at the same time creating a constriction that made it even harder to get volume, and I finally blew my voice out. I've seen bad advice on other forums where some people recommend trying to be as loud and push as hard as possible, and I really want to make sure the OP doesn't try to do that. Especially if he's already having trouble with pain and lack of endurance, he needs to learn breath control and relaxation, then focus on his tone, and just let his volume come naturally. If you can put a little time and money into voice lessons, it's a great idea. The guy at virtual voice lessons dot net (all one word when you type it in) has a lot of really good tips and exercises for clean singing, although he's pretty goofy and waxes a bit religious sometimes. I've enjoyed the online courses I've taken. Everything I've learned about clean singing has been applicable to screaming as well.