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What does a litre of petrol and a Bic lighter cost? How much is a kitchen knife? If you like his music, buy it. Or. I guess you just torrent it all. Why do you think burning a church is a crazy thing? Do you work? If you do, you pay taxes and therefore you pay to have people that are disliked killed.

As KSMASH says after, it hays to be 3 separate notes. You answered a third or a minor third, why not a major or minor chord? It is still just two notes the same as a fifth. I know everyone calls the 1st 5th a power chord,and I do to, except when I am teaching someone a run using heaps of intervals and inversions instead of chords. Like playing minor intervals over major chords and major intervals over minor chords,that confuses the crap out of my mates.

Yeah, it's just that to me it's one of those names that bugs me. A chord has to have at least 3 separate notes in it, or it's not a chord. If there is only a 1 and a 5 stacked on top, I call them 1,5 Diads. I've noticed on different sites they tend to call just about anything a power chord. I tend to think and play in intervals, so 1,3 or 3,5 or 5,1 etc. Diads to me are just intervals. But, everyone calls them power chords, so I just go with it. Quick question, if you call a G note with a D on top a power chord, what do you call a G note with a B or Bb on top ? Cheers,

In what context? If you are saying Theory states you must only play the notes C D E F G A B for a C major scale then yes,that is the theory.But, it does not say you can only play those notes over a C Major chord. You can add or delete notes to suit your taste. Or if you are in E minor don't play the notes F G# Bb C# Or D# ? I do that all the time to and it fits the theory fine. Atonal music, some people like it, others don't. What do you mean by that? Could you give me an example of "clashing scales". I disagree with that statement.

Just curious, how many of you guys use the term Power Chords? What does a power chord mean to you?

Okay, I'll take the hook on this one. Theory "a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact" And, a quote of my own regarding Music Theory " An Apple by any other name is still an Apple" Some people that know a lot of theory still play badly, some people that know no theory play badly. Some people that know a lot of theory play extremely well, and some people that know no theory also play extremely well. Music Theory doesn't tell you what to play, it explains what you played. There is a big difference between Music Theory and written score. Score,or tab tells you exactly how to play something. Theory will explain why it sounds the way it does. So,I'll take the challenge with you guys that say you don't know or use Music theory in your playing, and prove that an "Apple by any other name is still an Apple" I have never come across any Music Theory that says "Never play this note and always play that note" You can play anything you like, and most times it will sound like crap,unless there is some structure involved. But If you want to have a melody that sounds for arguments sake "Egyptian" Use lets say E Major, F Major and D minor chords,and play the melody based on the 5th mode of the A harmonic minor,(E Phrygian dominant) and you will be close. Or,for you none theory guys, play that pattern your mate showed you, or you learned off YouTube, over some basic "power chords", then muck around with them a bit till it sounds sort of good. Either way,we are both playing the same thing. Your turn.

Hell yeah, Brujeria, awsome. One of my favorites is Pititis, Te Invoco, off the Brujerizmo album. Check out the lyrics translation. Some big names have been with them. Dino Cazrez, Nick Barker.

Re: To Theory or Not to Theory YAY, 15 posts now I'm a Metal Mervin. Can I play my one note now Eddie? Those that have seen Fur TV will now what I mean.

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Re: To Theory or Not to Theory Yep , I remember KH playing a G minor pent over E minor in something, might have been MOP. That is certainly out there sound wise, but O/k if you like that sound. I don't. Weird. But,KH is renown for Pent and blues scales, Mesa and Wah. I don't get into Metallica , but always liked Orion and MOP.

Re: Home Recording When I first started playing, I used to record rhythm on a cassete player. Then set another cassete player going and record lead and other player together. Then play that and record it again while banging buckets, pots and pans for drums. Sounded absolute crap, but I learned about multi tracking from doing that, and I had a Rhythm player that kept going non stop so I could practice.Me on tape. Then I got a computer and plugged my Gat into my Boss pedals then straight into the soundcard in (Audigy sound blaster I think) Found a recording program called N-Track, and some crappy boom chikka drum software, and thought I was pretty good. It still sounded bad, but I started cruising forums and found Studio Central and Tweakheadz, and learn't a lot from them. Now,over the years, I have progressed to Sonar X1, Superior Drummer, Amp simulators, Trillian Bass Engine, and Soft synths. Honking big computer, AKG head phones, Fostex near field monitors, presonus firewire interface. It's a good setup for home dabbling. The quality is awsome and the only thing lacking is my creativity.

Re: To Theory or Not to Theory Yep, that's sort of what I am getting at. That is sort of similar to what I do. Except, I allready know what will work scale or mode wise over the particular chords, diads or riffs I have underneath. I tend to choose a scale or mode based on its overall sound. Some chord or riffs allow quite a few different scales. Pretty much every time you add or subtract a note from a starting scale it becomes another scale or mode, or a passing tone. I have two ways of playing leads . One I call playing with the changes. That means if you listen to the melody by itself, you can almost hear the chords in there. I target the chordal tones in the melody and interconnect them with scalar tones. The other way is playing through or over the changes. If you listen to it by itself, it doesn't sound that good. just a heap of disjointed licks, but sounds fine as soon as the rhythm is underneath it. But, if you didn't now all the scale names,where they come from, what there degrees are, what chords can be made from them, but play them because your mate showed you this cool scale, or you learned a pattern off the net, you would still be forrming your own theory on where that works and where it doesn't. What I'm trying to say I guess is it's not how you learn it but how you use it. A lot of guys actually know a lot of theory and don't realise it. They have set patterns and shapes that they know from constant experimenting work with certain chords for a certain sound. They know which notes in the patterns to target for different chords. They don't know why, or the proper names, just that it works. They might have a way of naming it something I don't understand. However, when I listen to what they are doing. I might say "That's just a Phrygian Dominant over the B chord and then you modulate to A minor over the Amin, G maj chords. He says " whatever!" The point is we are both playing the same thing, our ears tell us both that it works, I describe it in music theory terms and he calls it whatever. An Apple by any other name is still an Apple. I would say it's just about impossible to come up with a set of notes that has not allready been used and classified in some way. But, there are infinite combinations,permutations and rhythms of these note sets just waiting to be discovered and put together. That's what makes music so exciting. 'Specially Metal. You will never live long enough to learn it all.

Just curious, Any of you into home recording? If so, what sort of software and interface do you use? Does any one here use Guitar Pro for tabbing?

Re: Firefox. WooHoo, that worked. Thanks for that . Is all good now

This is not intended to be an argument about Music Theory, more a discussion as to why some guys believe if they learn a bit about what they are doing, and why it works, their nuts will shrivel up and drop off! Or even worse, they will get so good that their playing will become boring, and sound like (insert name of guitarist who knows their theory, but they don't like their style of playing, here. eg Satriani, Vai, Gilbert,Petrucci, Batten, Malmsteen, Kotzen, Laiho, and thousands of others) First up, it is Music THEORY, not Music FACT. Music theory doesn't say "You must play these notes over this chord and no other notes. If you do play any other notes but the ones we tell you to, your balls will shrivel up and drop off! What theory does tell you though is-- If you want to sound a bit middle eastern, use the 5th mode of the harmonic minor scale over that E major, F major, D minor riff and it will work. If you play the E minor Pent over the same chords and leave out the thirds, it will still sound O/K, but it won't sound middle eastern. ( Into The Lungs Of Hell-Megadeth- for one example) Those of you that know your theory will know the common name of this mode. Or, if you play the notes E, G and B over an E minor chord that will fit perfectly, but if you play D ,F# and A (which is D Major) over E minor, we won't tell you off. That will just imply an E minor 11th. It will sound a bit out there, but work fine. Theory doesn't tell what you must play, it just describes and explains why what you are playing sounds good or like crap. I've heard all the arguments like, player X is a great guitarist, he plays all this cool stuf,but he doesn't know a thing about music theory. So why should I bother learning it if he didn't? Or, Petrucci knows his theory, but I don't like Dream Theatre, so why should I learn it if I end up sounding like him? Non musical people love to relay stories about player X, who plays in the local band, knows a few chords, but they think he's gifted. "Does it all by ear you know, doesn't know any theory, he's really talented" Talented my ass! Thousands of other muso's and I will be the judge of that, not some Wanker who thinks a bar chord is what you play in pubs. Me, I think he's just copped a heap of tabs of the net, and plays them fairly well. If that's all he wants to do, then that's fine. I believe that guys who play exremely well and claim they don't know any theory, actually do. Otherwise how would they be able to improvise ,come up with cool melodic lines and riffs, then remember how they played them? If you guys are interested in why I think this, I will continue.

Re: Firefox. Nope, sorry. Still the same for me , I am running the the current update of Firefox. It seems fine in IE, its just I do everything, and am used to, Firefox. Is there something I can tweek in the sttings ? Cheers

Re: Effects Pedals I agree, you don't need big midi controlled amp and effect rigs to play well and get a good sound. I played for years with a 50W Marshall Twin and just those 2 Boss pedals. I have even done a few shows playng those same pedals through a Behringer Vampyre. (Stretching things a bit, but worked o/k) Of course the big rigs are blow your nuts off awsome, but tend to be overkill in smaller venues. The only way to run a vave amp, in my opinion, is flat out. I use a 50 watter Mesa for that reason. The 50 watters are good for a medium size venue, but the mixer guy will definately yell at you if you have a cranked 100 watter up there in a small pub. If you are only jamming, a Peavey is fine with a few pedals. I was playing through some guys Peavey Bandit with a boss Overdrive pushing it a couple of weeks ago at a shed party. It worked fine, definately not a black metal sound but fine for a jam. A metal zone would have pushed it harder. But, in the end, if you are going to do shows, a good valve amp and quad box are pretty much the norm. I know there are some guys that do it different ( Dimebag used a Randall tranny amp before he went to a valve Krank) but generally when you hear a great guitar sound live, it's probably a Mesa, Engl, Krank, Cobra, Diezel or similar through quads.

Re: Effects Pedals No, the MZ-2 is the Boss Metalizer. They stopped making that a fair while ago. They weren't very good. The MT-2 Metal Zone is the one to go for. Just about all the big boys have used or are still using them. They work fine on a big tube amp, but dont crank the Metal zone into your cranked lead channel, it will go into blocking distortion and fizzle ,fart and squeal.. Just run the amps input drive cleaner and push it with the pedal. The next pedal to go for would be the DD3 Dig Delay. Its not a multi effect, just on or off, but you can really open your sound up with it. Some guys run 2. One set for rhythm and one for lead. These 2 pedals can make even a little practice amp sound BIG. If you want more than that, you need to go for a programmable setup. I use a TC electronics G Major 2. My main drive is from my amp. Mesa Recti. Then a Graphic EQ. Really dial in your sound. After that you might need some kind of Noise gate. Then anything you fancy. I have Wah's. Phasors,Chorus. Octaver.Digi Wam, EQ .etc most of them Boss. but I rarely use them. Most of my playing is on my computer. I use Guitar Rig And TH2 Amp simulators. There is every effect and then some in those programs. All this is just my opinion, and everyones taste is different, but I have had guys listen to my sound, then go and sell their multi effect tap dancing units, and buy a metal zone and DD3. Or, get an Axe-FX. They are full on. Big bucks . Both Dave M and Chris B use them.

Re: [ask] how to play metal melody smoothly and cleanly Yep, that is wrong. There are quite a lot of different muting techniques, depending on what you are playing at the time. I think I'll start another thread rather than continue in this one, because it will be off topic to the O/P.

Re: [ask] how to play metal melody smoothly and cleanly Dragging up an old post again. I couldn't help but make comment on this.

Well this is POO! I am using IE. I hate IE! Why do I have to use IE on this site. In all the years I have been on the Net, I have never had a problem using Firefox untill now. I can't contact anyone because I apparently don't have enough posts up. My suggestion for this site. Make it work with Fiefox. metal forum problem.jpg[/attachment:garo4duz]

Re: Necrobutcher - Metal: A Headbanger's Journey Sorry to bring up an old thread, but......... I call bullshit on this interview. My partner and I were actually talkin to Jurn about this. We were out the front of the Presidentti Hotel in Helsinki a couple of years back, and Mayhem rocked up to the Hotel. He says he was set up and had a full on hangover, plus it was heavilly edited. You don't get to see and hear the full story. What they said they were going to discuss before the interview was different to the actuall interview. They were pushing for a reaction and they got it. Setup. Me, i tend to believe Jurn, he's a nice Guy. We talked for about half an hour or so, and his room was next to ours. My partner spent a fair bit of time talking to the rest of the guys and overall considering they had been out all night and were hammered, they were pretty cool. Actually wanted us to to go partying with them. Unfortunately we didn't get the chance, it was our fist night there, and we were still getting over jet lag and trying to find our way around Helsinki. Spent the night at the Prkl club. Ahhh, good times, be back there in a couple of months.

Hi there, Just introducing myself. I am into Black Metal bands like Windir,Immortal, Cor Scorpi, Vreid and melodic like Chidren Of Bodom, Kalmah. Also into Finntroll, Korpiklaani,Dimmu, In Flames, Arch Enemy, Amon Amarth, many others. A couple of of different ones DethKlok and Stinkhole (Eddie shreds) I am heavily into Guitar playing and computer recording. Have a fairly large amount of music theory knowledge, and a large amount of knowledge on amps and gear. Have read through a few of the posts and theres a bit of weird advise being given in some of them. I will get into them a bit later as time permits. Anyways, cheers and catch ya later. What's up with the smilies stuck over the top of my post? The whole thing is stuck on the side of the page, and first up had my profile stuck over the top?