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  1. I guess the most basic answer to your question of why Jinjer hasn't been posted here before is because they're a band that doesn't really interest the regulars on here, so there hasn't been any discussion about them until now. We all like what we like, and when a new member comes in to enter the discussion and beings their different tastes and opinions with them, the discussion changes. I didn't think you were being facetious about the comparison to Meshuggah and Gojira, those comparisons are certainly valid based on the song I listened to by Jinjer when you mentioned them here. While I may not be as old as you, "djent" is a label that I tend to use in quotes because I still don't think of it as a real genre. To the best of my knowledge, it was first used by Meshuggah to describe their sound, but prior to that point, Meshuggah was known as a technical groove metal band. At that time, they were pretty much the only ones doing that sound, so it seemed silly to create a new genre just for them when the old one still fits. However, maybe now that so many bands have taken Meshuggah's formula and ran into a completely different direction with it, maybe it does merit a different name. The bands that seem to exemplify that sound don't do anything for me, so it's not a label I find myself frequently using because a lot of it either ends up in really self-indulgent jazz/progressive metal territory, or sounds more akin to electronic/dub-step music with guitars, or sometimes both. It did seem like Jinjer occupied some space in both of those camps, but I thought that part of their sound was decent. It lost me when the contrived aggression with the bland screams ala melodic metalcore entered the picture, as it often does. Metalcore is a tough one in the internet age, but it shouldn't be. Its nomenclature should be pretty indicative of what it will sound like, a fusion of metal and hardcore that broke out in the 90's by fusing the more pummeling New York hardcore sound with metal elements that were prevalent at the time, mostly from death and groove metal (though the name was originally assigned to groups like D.R.I., which makes sense, but it tends to be more specifically referred to as "crossover thrash" since thrash is what it basically became). Melodic metalcore arose much like melodic death metal ("gothenburg" as you put it) from its parent genre, but very quickly devolved like melodic death metal did into something bearing little resemblance to how it began, and within a couple of years had almost completely forsaken its roots. The two sounds are also connected because in their move away from their roots, they borrowed some superficial traits from one another as they drifted closer towards pop music territory. It seems that people continued to use these same labels for the bands in question, even though they had basically lost their meaning due to no longer sounding like "death metal with a focus on melody" or "metal/hardcore fusion with a focus on melody". These labels are still misappropriated like wildfire, especially among the younger generations browsing the internet that aren't familiar with the roots of either sound (and these are only two examples of that phenomenon out of many). Derogatory labels tend to arise out of this misappropriation by fans who see bands being grouped together incorrectly as disparaging and not representative of the music they like. Whether or not that's fair is another issue, but pop and metal don't tend to mix very well, so I think some irritation at this grouping is understandable. Hopefully this is a bit more clear than my last response. There were parts of Jinjer's sound that I liked and parts that I didn't, but I certainly didn't hate them. The point was for me to answer your question about where they might fall on the spectrum and why they weren't listed on metal-archives.com. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  2. It's definitely a scam here right now, the two party system has failed us. There would need to be a massive upheaval to undo the corruption, and even if the system collapses, I don't foresee that happening. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  3. You have to consider the source, especially when there is music flooding your horizon from every direction. The stuff that gets hyped in mainstream metal publications and news sites like Metal Sucks don't tend to be my flavor anyway, so I'm usually slow to check out stuff that gets most so called "metal fans" wet in their panties. If it's hyped by one or more sources that I know and trust, then it's a different story, but I'm still terrible at keeping up with new releases even when they do have glowing recommendations. Either way, it's easier for me to let the initial hype die down and see what's still standing after the "hot new thing" phase has passed. As far as djent and melodic metalcore getting hate, well, that's life I suppose. I think those dorky downtuned groove riffs sounded kind of cool when Meshuggah did them, or when a band like Gojira took them to a different place, but it sounds pretty lame to my ears when it's used as a heavier substitute for dance flavored beats in a poppy sounding song. The same goes for melodic metalcore, no amount of stolen In Flames and Arch Enemy riffs will make it sound any less like a Hot Topic flavored emo song to me. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  4. Paradise Lost - Faith Divides Us, Death Unites Us Yeah, this one is heading for the recycle bin too. I'm not sure why they were trying to sound like The Pale Haunt Departure era Novembers Doom here, or why they decided to add the contrived aggression in many of the songs, but it doesn't work and it doesn't make the radio rock base sound any better. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  5. Denver is great, it's like Salt Lake City without the Mormon's. Their metal scene is better than ours, as are their breweries, and while I'm not sure about the rest, those are my main concerns. Getting my wife to break away from her family is the hard part. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  6. The yard work never fucking ends. The Mrs. had her abscessed tooth extracted on Friday, so I took the day off work to take care of the kids and her while she's recovering. Of course, that's the time when my youngest happens to get sick and projectile vomit like Linda Blair on The Exorcist, and then neither of the kids slept that night, but the yard work must go on. Weeding, weeding, taking the lawnmower to get serviced when it doesn't start, mowing, more weeding, tilling, fertilizing, buying and stacking bags of mulch and rocks for when weeding the planters has concluded, and yes, more weeding. I'm exhausted. Practice was productive today though, and the recording turned out better than I thought it would, so I'll be sending it to Cody to commence with the album art shortly. It's about time too, I needed a silver lining. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  7. That Oaked Yeti is killer, but all of the Yeti's I've had were great. Denver has some awesome breweries, but I think Great Divide is my favorite. Their Wolfgang Doppelbock is the only good American doppelbock I've ever had, their Titan IPA is almost too drinkable, and those Yeti's nail down the stout style better than most while being interesting and innovative. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  8. Hadn't heard that before, but I tend to ignore bands that get a lot of hype. It is all over the place as you mentioned, but mostly exists between melodic metalcore and "djent" (i.e. that Meshuggah sound), so I can see why it's not on the metal archives. The more progressive parts sounded good, but I can't say that I liked her harsh vocals or their more superficially"aggressive" passages. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  9. The label may not have been applied to them specifically at the time, but they still fit the sound. The largest disconnect for people seems to be that there isn't much in the way of a direct lineage to show how big of an influence Mercyful Fate was to other black metal bands (like there is with Venom leading to Bathory, Bulldozer, Sodom, etc...), but that's simply because nobody could keep up with Mercyful Fate in terms of musicality at the time. It wasn't until the end of the first wave and the start of the second wave when all but the most basic of their techniques would surface in black metal again, seen with the likes of Tormentor, Mortuary Drape, Masters Hammer, Grand Belial's Key, Emperor, Root, etc... They may have approached the sound in a vastly different way from Venom, but that doesn't exclude them from the black metal sound that they helped to create. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  10. It's a top 10 black metal album for me, probably my favorite of the first wave. Too fucking good. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  11. What am I celebrating? This shit day reaching its conclusion, that's what. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  12. Indeed you should. That Uncanny album is incredible as well, probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite Swedish death metal album. It has the aggression of many of the bigger and more well known bands in the scene, but with a deep and sorrowful brand of melody that sets them apart from the pack. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  13. That Brutal Truth album is incredible, one of the best in all of grindcore. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  14. It's almost like they were trying to get the guitar distortion to do the heavy lifting for them, but it does little to disguise the radio pop/rock songwriting. I didn't remember it being that bad, but I could barely make it through the whole thing this time. Time to trade it in. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  15. Here's a good one that comes to mind when I see this topic. Original: Cover: Also this one. Original: Cover: Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  16. Wow, nice post. I'm familiar with many of these, but some only by name, and there are a few there I haven't heard of that I would like to explore. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  17. I don't know about Satyricon, but it did remind me of 1349's transformation between Hellfire and Revelations of the Black Flame, going from a somewhat complex blasting wall of sound with frantic melodies to something really basic and stripped down. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  18. Hmm, I guess it was both of them. Interesting that it's Trym in the Zyklon photo with the gun, but it's Samoth and Ihsahn with guns in the Zyklon-B member photos with stock/reused pictures of Aldrahn and Frost. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  19. What interests someone changes from one person to the next, but whether or not the flash works within the context of the song tends to be telling, or if the focus is disproportionately placed on one instrument over the others. This isn't always the case, but it does feel a lot more natural for explosive technicality to be showcased within a song that is complex and technical in and of itself, and if those explosive elements from multiple instruments work together towards the same goal. It's not always just The Great Kat styled shredders that get shit on in this way, but when a progressive metal band or a technical death metal band (for instance, since these two genres tend to contain the most culprits of this), it often seems like the musicians, while talented, recorded their parts in the same room with their metronome set to the same tempo and are given a scale/tuning to use, and them they just do what they please regardless of what the other members are doing. While it is unfair to dismiss technical bands as a whole, some people do throw the baby out with the bathwater simply because this is all that they have been exposed to with flashy playing. Much like people who write off all black metal as sounding like shit because of a few bands with demo quality production, or writing off all doom metal as minimalistic and boring because of a few bands that strive for that, it sometimes takes some convincing and showing people that their experience wasn't the whole picture. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  20. I don't hear any doom in any of Darkthrone's albums outside of a riff or two. Panzerfaust increased the presence of mid-paced Celtic Frost riffs, but it's not any different than, say, In the Shadow of the Horns from their first black metal album. Black metal can be slow and mid-paced too. Glad you're finding some new music to your liking. I have a hard time staying on top of keeping these threads updated, but I enjoy spreading the word, as I know others do. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  21. I thought that was Zyklon-B, or maybe they both did it...? Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  22. BlutAusNerd

    Slayer

    They're a lot more musicality and less noisy than Slayer. Paul Baloff's vocals are a bit of an acquired taste, but the musicianship makes it worth it. The drums in particular are massively underrated, I love Tom Hunting's style. I prefer their second vocalist Steve "Zetro" Souza, with his nasty snarl that sounds like Bon Scott from AC/DC gone thrash. This is from my favorite album of theirs with his sick vocals: Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  23. BlutAusNerd

    Slayer

    Here, let me help you with that: Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  24. BlutAusNerd

    Slayer

    Well, consider the source. Exodus has had a few duds, but never sank to the depths that Slayer did, and we're arguably better than them when they were both at their best. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
  25. BlutAusNerd

    Slayer

    I don't know about that. Live Undead and Decade of Aggression seem to indicate that they were once pretty incredible live, they were just a band past their prime for at least 20 years at that time. I had heard that their performance had improved with Gary Holt, but I wasn't interested when there were so many other good shows going on. Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk
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