Rexorcist

In comparison to Dr. Feelgood, Shout at the Devil sounded so generic and half-assed.  Once I listen to much more glam metal and understood its history, I learned to accept it as the album others imitate, and not vise-versa.

It looks like something out of a Charles Band movie.

I'd like to admit that I aided in derailing the topic, something I'm typically against becuase that behavior has ruined many threads I've started in the past.  That was hypocritical of me, and I apologize.

Just now, FatherAlabaster said:

New member signs up telling us how happy she is to finally be free of her religious upbringing and y'all spend two pages of her intro thread arguing about religion. Internet classic.

You've been here two weeks. You barely know any of us, let alone well enough to make that kind of assumption. Shouldn't you be turning the other cheek or posting unto others as you'd have them post unto you or something? How about you hit us with that top 100 list instead of tilting at windmills over here. I know it's hard to walk away from conversations like this, but trust me, you're better off.

A. Please understand that I'm not saying any of that negative stuff about you.  But Goat made his beliefs perfectly clear, and I can make judgments on how he handles them in discussion.  I'm not the only one who believes he has pent up anger, and many of his discussions end up in arguments from what I've read while I've been here, typically with Killa, even from threads that were made before I got here.  I can make that call if others have already made it.

B. I've had discussion like this my whole life.  I know the signs of this kind of discussion, and what you quoted was to avoid another angry guy yelling at me, so you're effectively scolding me for expressing that I'd like the conversation to be handled with more care.  Relentless has been perfectly fine and I am not throwing those accusations at Relentless or you.  Nevertheless, I have a right to tell someone they should calm down a little.

C. I only mentioned the top 100 a few times within the two weeks I've been here, and I've been busy with other things as well.  But the way it's going so far, it'll appear AT LEAST on Sunday, maybe Monday at the latest.  But I do have the right to discuss philosophy.  All I'm saying is that if a user gets heated, I'll let him know I'll ignore the heated replies.  Please do not scold or criticize me for that.  I'm not annoyed with beliefs, just with certain kinds of behavior.

3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Pointless argument No 321.

Heads and walls.

Yawn.

But you can't hate something you don't believe in.

Yes you can.  Why can't you hate something you think is fictional?  What if a certain fictional character acts in a way you really don't like?  Example: I can't even watch Harry Potter 5 again because I really hate people like Umbridge.  And I'm not alone in this.  There are people who can't take part in anything because, even if the character is fictional, the character may represent many things and behavioral patterns they are against.  And sometimes the behavioral patterns may be based on misconceptions because based on their willingly limited knowledge of a story, the information on the character may be wrong.  The idea it doesn't make any sense neglects the variety of human belief that was previously claimed to be believed in by posters here.  You can in fact hate a fictional character so much that you don't even want to watch or read anything in it.  And I'm not saying anyone here hates God, but there are people who claim to hate God on the Deviantart forums, and in real life, and I've met them.  It's brutally obvious that it's possible to hate something you believe is fictional, even if it doesn't make sense to you personally.  And just saying "you can't hate something you don't believe in" without explanation or dissection is effectively the same as deciding for people what they already believe despite not attempting to come from an authoritative standpoint.  I even knew a guy who hated Ren and Stimpy as characters because they were annoying and vulgar, and a lot of people hate Pepe Le Pew for being a so-called "rape icon," but don't hate the creators because they created other "good" or "great" and "harmless" characters,

I just said I'm not replying to your posts on this topic anymore.  They always deny that they're angry and I'm certain that's what you're doing.  I will say this, though.  I caught the end: "And you're right that I can't decide my beliefs are the same as every other atheist's, which is exactly what I've been saying this entire time" which is why you said "none of us hate God."  Literally dictating and saying they all do the same thing aren't that different.  I repeat, they told me.  You're saying one thing and changing it because right now you're acting just like any overtly-religious person: afraid to be wrong.  I've argued with people like you, and I've argued with religious fanatics.

Those are my last words to you regarding this topic.  The rest will fall on deaf ears.

6 hours ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

Firstly anarchy would be the absence of government in a far left interpretation of the word, America certainly isn’t heading towards that any time soon. Secondly it is somewhat naive to think the ordinary citizenry would be poised to overthrow even a state government, and I’m trying really hard not to get sidetracked here and start talking about other more political issues. Third people who subscribed to a progressive ideology are either already trying to move to more tolerant parts of the country or, through acts of political activism and involvement in the democratic process, attempting to actually bring about change in the south. I also I’m a little confused  as to the relevance of seat belts in this discussion? The majority of people agree wearing seatbelts is probably a good idea, and so there are laws in place to deter people from acting in a manner which is judged to not be in societies best interests. The majority of people also believe women should have the right to bodily autonomy and and therefore it isn’t unreasonable to expect a federal government, voted for bye the people, to pass laws which reflect this belief. A very good example of just how widespread that particular view point is would be the recent  constitutional referendum in Kansas which was heavily voted in the negative for trying to strip away women’s rights.

 

anyway I should probably go back to talking about less serious subjects are, show neutrality and restraint etc etc

No, you're showing a lot of restraint, actually.  Even as a classical liberal with lightly-right economic beliefs, I can at least appreciate Michael Moore documentaries for not being anger-central, even if I don't agree with EVERYTHING he says.  What matters to me most is restraint during serious discussions, something both sides of the political spectrum in America have difficulty with.

A: you misread it again.  Atheists have told me they hated God, whether or not that makes sense to you, so you can't decide your beliefs are exactly the same as every atheist.

B. Your tone is practically dictating that I have a moral obligation to believe you.  You are angry and you know it.  I'm not continuing a conversation with a middle-aged man who is just barely avoiding telling me what to believe just because he didn't "phrase it" that way.  At least Oblivion can have a conversation without coming close to freaking out.

25 minutes ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

I might be wrong but I think GG’s Point was more to do with the fact religion, more often than not, is used as a justification for tyranny. It isn’t unique to Christianity, nor is it unique to any modern religions. Humanity has committed heinous atrocities in the name of their various gods for millennia Oh and while it is certainly true that atheists and agnostics have also committed terrible deeds neither of those groups are nearly as well represented.

 

You’ll have to excuse the old goat he gets a little grumpy if he doesn’t have his morning dose of black metal…

I'm aware of that.  I think about that all the time.  I'm just trying to point out that religion itself isn't wrong, it just makes for a popular excuse.

B: ... OOOOOHHH.  He's an atheist because he's possessed!  That's fine.

28 minutes ago, Sardonicist said:

Every thought, decision and opinion is shaped by predetermined events in reality. That is you. You are entirely shaped by predetermined events. Everything you are is predetermined. Everything you do or say influences everything around you. There it is. You don't exist. 

Thanks, Dr. Malcolm.

A: you said "we atheists do n't hate God.". You assumes I was talking about a collective.

B: Starting a long ramble about religion with the word "nonsense" doesn't exactly say "not annoyed.". Nobody ever admits their judgement is dampened but they run the risk.

C. That hell comment was mostly to satisfy you.  I just didn't want to get into the whole Revelations/resurrection explanation so I gave you the short answer.

D. Do others is literally in the book of John.  But if you think nobody ever writes about historical figures they knew...

E: I never said atheists were a group, and I never said that religious evil was excused because one atheist did something evil.  My point was Mussolini was in the same boat as religious tyrants or any other tyrant.  Obviously you're misreading things, misinterpreting my words based on the beliefs of religious people you don't like.  You're not the first so I know the signs.  If you're gonna treat me that way then your posts aren't worth reading.

Now hold on.  I never said all atheists hate God.  What I said was there are those that do hate God, albeit in the same way an old man would probably hate the character Veruca Salt.  Most atheists and believers today are pretty chill, but chill doesn't get the media going.  However, it's using angry words like "nonsense" that starts fights.

Sorry, Goatie, but I have a rule never to read articles coming from an anger perspective, whether for me or against me.  And I sensed some annoyance in your post early on.  Annoyance and anger cloud judgment, especially when potential finger-pointing is involved.  Yes, some religions have caused problems, but even Mussolini was an outspoken atheist, so obviously religion is not the source of evil.  The real issue is a combination of unchecked pride combined with political power and resentment with excuses.  Anybody can do it with enough brains.

Plus, Jesus himself literally said that "do unto others" was more important, so the way I see it, if God does exist that those churches who abused his name are burning in hell.

Metal opera album concept, anyone?

BTW: new gal, Goat and Killa are pretty much the Jack Lemmon and Walter Matthau here.

Whenever someone says "I like hard rock and heavy metal," the first thing that comes to mind is, "I'm curious as to your opinions on GNR."

Hey.

On 8/16/2022 at 2:18 PM, schwermetallschatz666 said:

I stay away from Christian shit as much as possible lol but thank you.

It is always good to know someone understands where you come from. On the outside we were normal church people 😛 

Thank you, I appreciate it. 

I think "normal church people" can be very loosely defined.  If by normal you mean the type that is generally recognized by the public for its obvious flaws, bear in mind that those are the people that give other church goers a bad rep, just as one pretentious professor who hates God could make other atheists look bad, which creates stereotypes on both sides.  The majority of church goers I've met in my life never had anything hateful to say about atheists (it was usually complaining about modern politics :P).

NOTE: God's Not Dead is a pretty bad movie.

Nevertheless, I'm very against the notion of blaming anyone for their beliefs, so I refuse to do it at all.  Even as I'm typing this I'm on my third Electric Wizard album of the day just to get closer to perfecting my top 100 metal albums (if EW appears on it at all), and I've more or less recognized modern satanism as just another variant of dumb teenage behavior that likes to get drunk and party with rare instances of cult violence.  In other words, they aren't really devout.

Taking a break from the weird turn this took... over-religious upbringing, huh?

Hopefully, you can find some church out there in the world that won't give you a hassle about metal.  I grew up in a couple churches that didn't really mind it, they just didn't play it at church.  My father even accepted that Ozzy (believe it or not) actually prays to God before every concert.  So yeah, I'm a Christian that listens to Slayer.

Truth be told, I haven't met very many people who've been brought up in a nasty form of religion.  If you want some Christian metal albums I can name a few.  You may want to check out Extol, who kick some major ass in the prog death vein.  

On 8/11/2022 at 7:58 AM, GoatmasterGeneral said:

Some stoner doom for our young friend who just discovered it.

Lee Van Cleef - Holy Smoke, Italy 2016

 

Nothing worse than being tired at 2 and 3 and 4am and not being able to sleep. 

Just looked up all the 5 Aussie time zones. You people are nuts. 

Oh no I didn't JUST discover it.  I heard most of the Sleep catalogue a couple years ago.  Just felt like a good time to get back to it.  Nevertheless, how could I not check out a stoner band named after one of the greatest actors of the 60's?  Thanks for the link; I never knew they existed until now.

Just gonna say, orcas are actually a breed of dolphin, one that can suck literal organs out of tiny holes they poke through their teeth.

On that note, the fact that he's not entertaining anyone and that he ain't up with the ties explains a lot.

39 minutes ago, KillaKukumba said:

Oh so there is a two genre max limit now? See all these rules and regulations, it's too much for an old fart to understand.

That was an estimated way of putting it.  Most people are likely to only list one or two genres since they're just having a conversation.  Let's leave it at that.

1 hour ago, KillaKukumba said:

So it's difficult to say to someone, "here you might like this", or "so you liked X, maybe you'll like this"? Some how saying "if you like prog-alt-sludgedoomstoner you'll prefer this?"

My ears tell me what I like and don't like not some weird words.

To be fair, most people would only use a two genre maximum in that sentence.

I don't know about  others, but genre classifications always help me find exactly what I'm in the mood for.  Judging by album covers would be the ideal method of guessing without them, and you don't want to be in the mood for something totally monstrous and Sabbathy and then end up with a pop album.  Hence the late and great Meat Loaf.  True, people still judge whether or not they want to buy an album by the cover sometimes, but still.

30 minutes ago, FatherAlabaster said:

And then a furry is something else entirely.

Very silly artwork IMO, but it's cool that you're creatively engaged... what are you drawing with?

I drew the goat on paper, photed it, brought it up on MS Paint where I also drew the eel, and then colored it and shaded it.  The background and effects were done on Photofiltre, where it's pretty easy for me to do clouds.

1 minute ago, KillaKukumba said:

Furrier?

Have you got a touch and feel monitor too?

 

That one took me a second.

If I'm wrong and you actually don't know what I'm talking about, you're better off not knowing. :P

So, who wants to see the basis for my new avatar?

Just being a metal dork right now.  I got in a creative mood and decided to do an avatar.  I understand it's a little furrier than I'd like, but what the fuck.  I just wanted to draw something dorky.

Got it.  I honestly don't care whether it's put in the stoner subforum or the doom subforum.  I just picked one out of random.

Btw, this thread is inspired by my current Sleep marathon, and I'm getting in the mood for it.