AngryWolf

Gary Moore is standing at a 45 degree angle to his tube amp with it cranked like Alabaster talked about. A studio trick is that you can use anything from a wedge monitor to studio monitors or house stereo speakers to get feedback with some gain going. Most of the examples in the albums you linked are tube amps howling. Gary Moores guitar is using a 60 year old les paul burst named Greeny after the original owner, Peter Green. So he is using the guitar Greeny, which is an old les paul that had its pickups botched in the factory with a reversed magnet and rewired incorrectly (or perfectly, depending on your perspective. To the lobsters in the Titanic that iceberg was a miracle) to make it the only les paul on the planet that sounds like it does when out of phase.
The guitar is now owned by Kirk Hammet, and is a 59 burst. It was originally purchased by Peter Green when he replaced Clapton in the Bluebreakers. And was Moores go to instrument. I mention it because getting Gary Moores sound wont happen exactly without that guitar. Also as a 60 year old piece of legendary gear worth 6 figures, it plays metal every night now on stage with Metallica. There are a ton of videos and info about the guitar, Here is a mini doc from youtube about it: 
 
So anyway, you can still get close with a real tube amp. The old school way to do this is face your amp so the pickups will send a signal to feedback to the amp, then move to the sweet spot which is usually like 3 to 4 feet away from the cabinet usually somewhere around a 45 degree angle. But honestly 100 watt tube amps at full volume will melt you face, kill your dog, and piss off your neighbors, The tech options suggested will work, as will smaller tube amps. For a metal sound I like Mesa Boogie triple rectifier, but again those are 100 watt tube amps made to push air through an auditorium, Mesa makes smaller really amazing tube amps, here is a link to what they sound like (He has a noise gate in his signal chain to stop feedback) But these amps do naturally feedback very nicely with every kind of guitar.
 

Yeah, this site is very cool. I have already been taking full advantage. Heard some awesome new thrash from the posters here and have even have taken advantage of the promotion area, which is a fantastic part of your site, thanks for putting that together.
The opportunity to hang out and be a metal nerd is outstanding.
So in appreciation, and to give something to the community: I am a guitar tech willing to teach people the things I know like setups for floyd rose style metal gutiars, all the way down to how to restring a classical or how to setup a les paul. Don't pay the guitar tech 50 bucks, let me just show you how on youtube 😃
Thanks for the welcome folks \m/
 

All outstanding metallica points, I think it is perspective, Once you have done Verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, verse, chorus, for 20 or 30 years. You want to change it up,
 
Thanks for letting me play devils advocate, im always trying to really give a chance to whatever an artist is doing RIGHT now, the tendency is to dismiss it because it isn't what they did before, but that kind of growth and change is interesting to me.

Embarrassingly enough my first "metal" album was Quiet Riot, lol. Cum on Bring the Noise! I didn't think it was fast enough, and then I hear Anthrax's first album and the title track Deathrider and the machine gun double picked 16 notes on a distorted guitar sounded and still sounds like angels fucking to me. WOW
Then as a 12 year old my guitar teacher took me to see Metallica on the Kill Em All tour, Cliff was alive and on it. Hooked for life after that show,
Then my eight year old ears heard The Trooper from Maiden and I got a guitar, Then i heard Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, and Cannibal Corpse and have been playing and listening to metal and lots of other types of music ever since, music became my life after hearing those original thrash guys (Exodus needs an honorable mention, since they might have made the best thrash album ever?) "Kick your friend in the head and have a ball, if you hit the floor you can always crawl"

Sorry to bring up an old topic but ya know Dave needs defending sometimes. Bob Rock, the producer for the black album, did his album style and radio sound, Like Dr Feelgood. Sonically really solid albums. But Megadeth has the guitar players jaws dropping, Dave specifically, Wake up dead, he is doing the riffs and the solos in the same takes on stage. If Bob Rock had been involved with Risk it might have had radio tracks, but instead of the top 40 producer Dave with a more artistic choice. Also his solo players have been pretty amazing, Marty Friedman with the egyptian sounds on the holy wars album, Chris Poland, amazing. Also, as a guitar player about Kirk Hammet, For a guy that knows one scale he did really well with it for 5 albums, in Metallicas defense Death Magnetic is a bad ass thrash album and Kirk has started solo'ing really well on albums, finally doing improv. And Metallica did tour the country for ten years with zero radio airplay paying dues and doing thrash, but Megadeth always makes thrash albums (Outside of Risk) so they win by a hair.
 
One thing no one mentioned, Dave is just that kind of jerk you love to hate really:
 

Very cool Angry Wolf.  Eddie Van Halen was all class.  And Dimebag - damn what a guitarist.
 
I'm a big Pantera fan - even have CFH tattooed on my leg!

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/eddie-van-halen-dimebag-darrell-guitar-buried/
 
This is a story about why Eddie Van Halen buried one of his guitars with Dimebag Darrell

blackdoomfan, I usually agree with your posts and tastes in metal, we like the same stuff, and Becker is both tragic and amazing 😃 BUT! I wont do this lol. As a guitar player we always kind of say no one is better, we are all different. But when it comes to Becker, Malmsteen, Vai, Asahi. it is bs, they are better. But they cant write a song like Cannibal Corpse or even The Misfits can usually. Better to shred or be able to write the super simple stupid power chord riffs that my 4 year old niece can play? Sometimes simple is better, cooler, more fun. Death invented some song writing structures that are solidly in place in 2021 recordings. Mustaine should get a lot of credit for songwriting, leads. rhythm. singing, and basically willing his style of minor writing into existance and getting it on the radio when no one played metal
So it is better to be an athletic type shredder, that literally is above everyone else physically? Or be able to write a riff that will make 80,000 people at a festival bounce like one gigantic wild animal?
I cant listen to an hour long becker album, it is all speed metal solos, i respect it. It took me 20 years to even do some of his stuff on guitar...but lets hear Obituary - Cause of Death album through one more time!

Jason Becker from cocophony is absolutely amazing shredder.  I've heard lots of  others praise his playing so it's not just me. Plus such a short guitar career after als stopped him short. So sad. Could he have got even better. 
 

Gary Moore is standing at a 45 degree angle to his tube amp with it cranked like Alabaster talked about. A studio trick is that you can use anything from a wedge monitor to studio monitors or house stereo speakers to get feedback with some gain going. Most of the examples in the albums you linked are tube amps howling. Gary Moores guitar is using a 60 year old les paul burst named Greeny after the original owner, Peter Green. So he is using the guitar Greeny, which is an old les paul that had its pickups botched in the factory with a reversed magnet and rewired incorrectly (or perfectly, depending on your perspective. To the lobsters in the Titanic that iceberg was a miracle) to make it the only les paul on the planet that sounds like it does when out of phase.
The guitar is now owned by Kirk Hammet, and is a 59 burst. It was originally purchased by Peter Green when he replaced Clapton in the Bluebreakers. And was Moores go to instrument. I mention it because getting Gary Moores sound wont happen exactly without that guitar. Also as a 60 year old piece of legendary gear worth 6 figures, it plays metal every night now on stage with Metallica. There are a ton of videos and info about the guitar, Here is a mini doc from youtube about it: 
 
So anyway, you can still get close with a real tube amp. The old school way to do this is face your amp so the pickups will send a signal to feedback to the amp, then move to the sweet spot which is usually like 3 to 4 feet away from the cabinet usually somewhere around a 45 degree angle. But honestly 100 watt tube amps at full volume will melt you face, kill your dog, and piss off your neighbors, The tech options suggested will work, as will smaller tube amps. For a metal sound I like Mesa Boogie triple rectifier, but again those are 100 watt tube amps made to push air through an auditorium, Mesa makes smaller really amazing tube amps, here is a link to what they sound like (He has a noise gate in his signal chain to stop feedback) But these amps do naturally feedback very nicely with every kind of guitar.
 

Gary Moore is standing at a 45 degree angle to his tube amp with it cranked like Alabaster talked about. A studio trick is that you can use anything from a wedge monitor to studio monitors or house stereo speakers to get feedback with some gain going. Most of the examples in the albums you linked are tube amps howling. Gary Moores guitar is using a 60 year old les paul burst named Greeny after the original owner, Peter Green. So he is using the guitar Greeny, which is an old les paul that had its pickups botched in the factory with a reversed magnet and rewired incorrectly (or perfectly, depending on your perspective. To the lobsters in the Titanic that iceberg was a miracle) to make it the only les paul on the planet that sounds like it does when out of phase.
The guitar is now owned by Kirk Hammet, and is a 59 burst. It was originally purchased by Peter Green when he replaced Clapton in the Bluebreakers. And was Moores go to instrument. I mention it because getting Gary Moores sound wont happen exactly without that guitar. Also as a 60 year old piece of legendary gear worth 6 figures, it plays metal every night now on stage with Metallica. There are a ton of videos and info about the guitar, Here is a mini doc from youtube about it: 
 
So anyway, you can still get close with a real tube amp. The old school way to do this is face your amp so the pickups will send a signal to feedback to the amp, then move to the sweet spot which is usually like 3 to 4 feet away from the cabinet usually somewhere around a 45 degree angle. But honestly 100 watt tube amps at full volume will melt you face, kill your dog, and piss off your neighbors, The tech options suggested will work, as will smaller tube amps. For a metal sound I like Mesa Boogie triple rectifier, but again those are 100 watt tube amps made to push air through an auditorium, Mesa makes smaller really amazing tube amps, here is a link to what they sound like (He has a noise gate in his signal chain to stop feedback) But these amps do naturally feedback very nicely with every kind of guitar.
 

Yeah, this site is very cool. I have already been taking full advantage. Heard some awesome new thrash from the posters here and have even have taken advantage of the promotion area, which is a fantastic part of your site, thanks for putting that together.
The opportunity to hang out and be a metal nerd is outstanding.
So in appreciation, and to give something to the community: I am a guitar tech willing to teach people the things I know like setups for floyd rose style metal gutiars, all the way down to how to restring a classical or how to setup a les paul. Don't pay the guitar tech 50 bucks, let me just show you how on youtube 😃
Thanks for the welcome folks \m/
 

This is a website for smelting questions right?
 
I am an old metalhead and guitar player who has been in tons of bands and recorded a lot of music, but in the end I really just want to hear good new stuff, and with covid and being hurt myself and at home I am disconnected completely from rehearsals, shows, and all the outlets I used to have to get turned on to new music, and new musicians. I also produce and write and make music at home now, as it is insanely easy with DAW's compared to cutting physical tape in a studio for 14 hours a day.
 
So just looking to get connected with people making, listening to, and loving music. 

This is a website for smelting questions right?
 
I am an old metalhead and guitar player who has been in tons of bands and recorded a lot of music, but in the end I really just want to hear good new stuff, and with covid and being hurt myself and at home I am disconnected completely from rehearsals, shows, and all the outlets I used to have to get turned on to new music, and new musicians. I also produce and write and make music at home now, as it is insanely easy with DAW's compared to cutting physical tape in a studio for 14 hours a day.
 
So just looking to get connected with people making, listening to, and loving music. 

This is a website for smelting questions right?
 
I am an old metalhead and guitar player who has been in tons of bands and recorded a lot of music, but in the end I really just want to hear good new stuff, and with covid and being hurt myself and at home I am disconnected completely from rehearsals, shows, and all the outlets I used to have to get turned on to new music, and new musicians. I also produce and write and make music at home now, as it is insanely easy with DAW's compared to cutting physical tape in a studio for 14 hours a day.
 
So just looking to get connected with people making, listening to, and loving music.