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  1. Horns
    Sardonicist given a Damn from markm in What Are You Listening To?   
    Decrepit Birth - Polarity. The last time I listened to this I hated it? Today it sounds fine fine fine. I'm going to listen to the music that I own. Fuck trying to improve my death metal collection or refine my tastes just to feel less generic. 
  2. Horns
    Sardonicist given a Damn from GoatmasterGeneral in What Are You Listening To?   
    Slavething - Death Thing
    Sugar Virus II - Wolf's Breath
    Death Strike - Fuckin' Death
    Cancerslug - Sassy For Satan
     
     
  3. Horns
    Sardonicist given a Damn from Arioch in What Are You Listening To?   
    Deicide - In The Minds Of Evil
    Inquisition - Bloodshed Across The Empyrean Altar Beyond The Celestial Zenith
    Die Gruwel - The Horror
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    Sardonicist given a Damn from GoatmasterGeneral in What Are You Listening To?   
    Deicide - In The Minds Of Evil
    Inquisition - Bloodshed Across The Empyrean Altar Beyond The Celestial Zenith
    Die Gruwel - The Horror
  5. Horns
    Sardonicist given a Damn from Arioch in What Are You Listening To?   
    Deicide - In The Minds Of Evil
    Deicide - Overtures of Blasphemy 
    Step To Freedom - ST
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    Sardonicist gave a Damn to Jackson in Home studio recordings by Lone Wolf   
  8. Horns
    Sardonicist gave a Damn to thrashinbiker in Music that shivers me timbers   
    Music that shivers me timbers!  What a GREAT thread. 
    I apologise now, I have spent a bit of time writing this out and it may be too long for some people's tastes, but for those who like a bit of history about a stranger on the internet, I hope you enjoy it.
    I'm starting off with a bit of an unusual one, here, but hear me out.  
    Judy Collins - Send In The Clowns
    Despite thinking of myself as a metalhead through and through, I have always appreciated dipping my toes into the waters of other genres, and musicals are no exception.  The musical this song is from is "A Little Night Music", by Stephen Sondheim.  Not a particularly famous musical, though this song undoubtedly is.  Every man, woman and their dog has covered it over the years, but no one, no one beats Judy Collins.  
    The song is sung from the point of view of Desiree, an actress who had a brief affair with a lawyer (Frederik) and, after he proposes to her, she turns him down and he scuttles off to lick his wounds.  Many years later, Desiree realises that she really does want Frederik and is ready to make a commitment to him.  She rushes off to find him and declare her undying love... only to find that he has taken up with a younger lady and is committed to her.  
    As Desiree is an actress, the song uses some theatrical references, but is very easy to follow.  I have honestly never heard a singer so beautifully and accurately portray irony through vocals.  The song is melancholy, full of regret, a dark, ironic humour that sometimes, when that moment comes along where you finally decide you desire something so passionately, is the very moment it becomes out of reach.
    Golden moment - Desiree realises that sending in the clowns is unnecessary, she and Frederik are the clowns due to the poor decisions they made and their overwhelming regrets.  "Where are the clowns?  Send in the clowns... don't bother, they're here."
    Spine tingling moment (1:22), having finally realised what she wanted after all this time, Desiree finds that Frederik has moved on with his life and has another girl.  Collins sings so beautifully and with such a resignation that despite it being largely of her own making, she is destined to end up alone.
    "Just when I'd stopped opening doors,
    finally knowing the one that I wanted was yours,
    making my entrance again, with my usual flair,
    sure of my lines... no one is there."
     
    And now for something... completely expected since this is a metal forum.  
    As the end of the 1980s rolled around and we hit the 90's, I was 10-11 years old and still largely finding my feet in terms of music.  As a kid in the 80s, I listened to the usual synth pop that littered the charts and would happily sing along to the classics, but I never did have that passion where I came home from school and just HAD to put on THIS album or THAT song.  Music was largely background for me in those days and while I enjoyed it, it definitely wasn't a central part of my life.
    It could have been that it stayed that way the rest of my life, except a chance visit from my (now sadly passed) Uncle Jeff (the black sheep of the family LOL a mantle I have more than happily placed onto my own shoulders) around 1989-90 set me on a course that would ultimately change my life.  
    To give just a little background, Jeff was much younger than my dad and my aunt, his brother and sister, as he was "unplanned".  He was around 30 at the time of this visit, and while I had seen him on the odd occasion previously, I hadn't really had much to do with him.  He certainly wasn't neglected, but given his siblings were much older than him and that my grandparents hadn't particularly wanted another child, I later came to understand that if not on a practical level, he was neglected somewhat emotionally.  An accident (not his fault) at work left him with a decent enough payoff (not life changing money, but a fair amount) so he only had to work part time doing "here and there" jobs, and he rented an old farmhouse (what he referred to as "The Hovel") out in the country and lived a largely solitary life, where he discovered metal and went to gigs and picked up the odd girl or two for company now and then.  Despite not being a working farm, he received a reduction in the already very reasonable rent for occasionally checking some of the outbuildings where some machinery and other bits and pieces were stored.  He had plenty of space for his cars and bikes and, while shabby, the house was warm and, to his credit, kept clean and mostly tidy.  He could also play his music as loudly as he wanted and there was no one within a couple of miles to hear.
    Despite the age difference, Jeff was one of those guys who just radiated effortless cool.  He had long hair, a beard and wore black jeans, metal tees, lumberjack shirts and a denim jacket.  I forget the reason for his visit, given it was so long ago, but I was the only one in the house at the time and I invited him in and made him a drink.  Conversation was a bit stilted (like I said, we hadn't really spoken) and he asked me a bit about music, and I told him I didn't really have a favourite band or bands, and asked him what he liked.  He grinned and told me to hang on for a minute.  
    He went out to his car (he was a keen biker and car enthusiast and he had brought his rather tasty 1981 Trans-Am Turbo).  I didn't (and still don't) know much about cars, but of course, I had seen Smokey and The Bandit, so I recognised it as being undoubtedly cool.  He brought in some tapes and told me to give them a listen on my Walkman later, but not to let my Mum and Dad see them, haha.  
    The tapes?  Well, they were Slayer's Hell Awaits and Reign in Blood and Metallica's Master of Puppets.  He also brought in some magazines (Metal Hammer and Kerrang!, if memory serves) and said if I liked the music, to give them a read.  
    Later on, I popped a tape into my Walkman (chosen at random, Reign in Blood) and fuck me!  I was blown away by a type of music I had never heard before.  Listening to Tom screaming through "Angel of Death" and hearing those thrashing guitars was a fucking sensory overload, but one I really, really enjoyed!  I lay on my bed and tried to focus on the lyrics as I was assaulted by fast beats, fast guitars and the snarling vocals.  In no time at all I reached the end of side 2 and couldn't believe the 28 (and a half!) minutes I had just experienced.  Despite being young at the time, I felt something with that music.  Socially awkward and pretty much an outcast at school, it felt as if I had found my music.  I don't want to peddle clichés, especially to you guys, but I was like fuck me, man, THIS is where it's at.  I'm fucking home.  
    I listened to RIB twice more, stopping in between each song to ruminate on what I had just heard.  Even now, thirty-five years later, I still remember being particularly animated during:
    Slayer - Altar of Sacrifice
     
    Even to this day, I can't fully explain why this song stood out to me, but man, it was fucking life changing.  I can attest that growling "enter to the realm of SAAAAATAN!" at the table when out for a family meal can definitely get you some strange looks.  But hey, I was obviously non-conformist from an early age.  
    I listened to all of the tapes and loved every second.  As the years passed, Jeff and I became great friends and I devoured the magazines, awestruck by those guys who had become my heroes and how they looked so cool.  I grew my hair and saved every penny I had (and what I earned through doing little jobs for neighbours) to buy more tapes (later CD's) and it was a proud fucking moment when I was round the age of 14 and went into town to the army store and bought my first pair of German para boots.  They were size 13 and despite being a tall dude (I'm 6'7" now, though I wasn't then!) and having big feet for my age, I still had to wear several pairs of boot socks to stop me tripping over them.  I did grow into them a couple of years later, however, and remain a size 13 to this day.  
    I fucking loved those boots, man.  My entire wardrobe consisted of several pairs of black jeans, metal tees and those boots.  I grew closer to Jeff, and I thank him in my heart every day for introducing me to the greatest music I have ever heard.  On my fifteenth birthday, I went to stay with him, and he presented me with (nearly) every metalheads desire - the much-revered leather jacket.  It was a TT leathers cafe racer style (picture attached below for context, though my jacket was bigger as I was a big dude even then) and MAN, I wore that fucking thing to DEATH.  Summer, winter, rain, snow or shine, I had that jacket on.  Clothes do not maketh the man and they certainly don't make a metalhead, but for the first time in my life I felt I belonged... somewhere.  
    During this time my catalogue of music grew considerable (again, thanks to Jeff and to reading the magazines to discover what I might like the sound of) and I considered each purchase carefully (of course, you couldn't just grab practically anything you wanted from the net in those days, so each bit of money spent had to be carefully thought out) and I made some great buys (along with some duds, as we all probably did in those days!).
    During the course of that year, as I went from 15 to 16, Jeff taught me how to ride a motorbike.  On the farm, there was a massive piece of concreted land that (I think) had previously been used to park farm vehicles and lorries which took the produce from farm to supplier.  Either way, it was great to have the freedom to ride around without worry of law enforcement and just goof off.  
    And so, in me, a biker was born.  That said, I have never been the type of biker to be dismissive of my four-wheel driving compadres.  Jeff still had his Trans-Am and another car, the make of which escapes me right now, and I was the only other person he allowed drive his pride and joy.  What teenager DOESN'T get a kick out of doing burnouts, handbrake (e-brake in this case) turns and reverse 180's (J turns) in a fucking Trans-Am with thrash blasting from the tape deck?  Fuck, I laid down some rubber in that old beast and despite being a biker rather than a car enthusiast, those nights of thrash and smoking tyres are some of the best of my life.  
    One song I particularly liked laying down some tread to was:
    Metallica - Master of Puppets
    I can't explain why, it just made my right foot heavy
    I spent a lot of time with Jeff in the 1990s, and was devastated when he passed away, suddenly, in 2000.  His injury from that accident apparently caused some complications that weren't fully known about at the time and he collapsed, suddenly.  Fortunately, he wouldn't have felt a thing.  
    Black sheep, metalhead, largely left to his own devices by society, Jeff's time on this earth is possibly the richest of any person I have ever known.  The musical education he gave me, the endless fun times of smoking tyres, smoking metal and smoking a few joints are my absolute fondest.  Rest in fucking peace, Jeff!
    If you made it this far, thank you for reading.  I enjoyed writing that and I hope it gave you a laugh or two.
    Phil aka thrashinbiker \m/ fuck yeah \m/

  9. Horns
    Sardonicist gave a Damn to MacabreEternal in The TV Thread   
    I watched it.  Very disappointed.  I hadn't watched most of the previous iteration with Jody Whittaker as the Doctor because I felt she was a terrible actor who over-hammed it far too much.  Had hoped for some sense to return with Tennant nut unfortunately, although he does bring some stability back to the role, they have also brought back Donna Noble as a character.  Portrayed once again by Catherine Tate who I simply cannot stand, the show is on to a loser.  Still very youth orientated in the themes (which I get, it's a family show after all) but this nonsensical "gender-crisis" apparently inherent in youth nowadays is bleeding into the storyline already and I have little patience for this "gender-neutrality" construct.  Could be I am getting too old for the show but I doubt I will hurry to watch it.
  10. Horns
    Sardonicist gave a Damn to Arioch in What Are You Listening To?   
    Believer - Extraction from Mortality (1989)
    Believer - Sanity Obscure (1990)
    Believer - Dimensions (1993)
    Believer - Gabriel (2009)
    Believer - Transhuman (2011)
    Believer. It's a name that comes up quite often in articles on the web devoted to technical or progressive thrash metal. And it's a band I only knew by name, so today I decided to take a look at all their studio albums, in chronological order of release.
    Hailing from Pennsylvania, this Christian Thrash band released 5 albums: 3 over 5 years from 1989 to 1993, with a big break of 16 years before releasing the 4th, then 2 years between this album and the last one in 2011. Since then, nothing.
    Musically, Believer's Thrash is technical, progressive, aggressive and packed with excellent riffs, and even on their older albums, the production is still very acceptable in 2023.
    At the end of the record, the band generally incorporates lyrical female vocals and wind instruments, some folk elements too. This comes as a surprise on the first album, and you can feel it coming on subsequent albums.
    Of all of them, Extraction from Mortality is the album that could well enter the very closed circle of my essential Thrash Metal albums, so packed is it with irresistible riffs that make you want to shake your head in all directions. There are some good (and sometimes very good) ideas on subsequent albums, but it's this one that really stands out for me.
    So Believer is an excellent discovery, even if it took me a while to get interested.
  11. Horns
    Sardonicist gave a Damn to GoatmasterGeneral in What Are You Listening To?   
    I do believe it's been scientifically proven that people tend to think the stuff with the wrong tropes almost always sounds terrible, so we're much quicker to discredit or outright dismiss that stuff as irrelevant and worthless. People who admit they really just don't like certain sub-genres are obviously going to think less of even the best top tier stuff that sub-genre has to offer. We're also happily, possibly in part subconsciously giving more credit than is probably due to stuff with the tropes we do like. This makes the tropes half the battle. This is why hardcore fans and apologists of any given sub-genre are much more likey to be fairly tolerant of even the C and D-grade stuff than people who don't prioritize that sub-genre would be.
    So basically we all think we're looking for good memorable songwriting arranged and presented in a style we enjoy. We just all define what is that very differently. Which tells me that no music has any real intrinsic value, it's all completely subjective to the ears and minds of the listeners.
    I had to laugh out loud (Ha!) Johnny Blade when you said that Priest had 40 good minutes of songwriting in them at any given time. Just glad I wasn't drinking anything at the time or I'd be on Amazon right now ordering a new wireless keyboard. Judas Priest don't have any albums other than possibly Screaming for Vengeance that contain more than maybe 15 - 20 minutes of solid material at most. That means at best 40% of their songs were good on any given album, some albums had less than that. Vengeance was the exception with (other than the Hellion intro which I don't consider a standalone track) 6/9 good songs so 66%, woo hoo! They really should have been releasing EP's all those years with just the good songs on 'em and then even I might think they were the best trad heavy metal band ever. (Sorry, in reality I'm a Saxon man and you should be too bruv, they're Yorkies)
    No top tier legacy band that I can think of off the top of my head has ever had more filler and just outright dog shit tracks that made their way onto the albums because it was the best crap they could come up with that month, than Judas Fucking Priest. Even during their hey-day when they were the kings of heavy metal (which for me is '78 to '84) those five 'classic' albums were all chocka with filler. To the fucking brim mate. Could probably make one pretty good double album out of all those classic era albums if you distilled them down to their best tracks. In fact let me whip up a quick list of their worthy tracks. Turns out there's 23 what I would consider to be worthy tracks out of 49 total from those 5 albums, so that's 47%. Better than I thought it would be. Without Vengeance it drops down to 17 good songs out of 40 so 42.5%. Pretty pathetic.
     
    Judas Priest  1978 - 1984
    Delivering the Goods
    Hellbent for Leather
    Killing Machine
    Burning Up
    Green Manilishi  (a cover, but they rearranged it and made it their own)
    Running Wild
    Rapid Fire
    Breaking the Law
    Living After Midnight
    The Rage
    Steeler
    Heading out to the Highway
    Desert Plains
    Electric Eye
    Riding on the Wind
    Bloodstone
    Devil's Child
    Screamin for Vengeance 
    Another Thing Coming
    Freewheel Burning 
    The Sentinel 
    Heavy Duty 
    Defenders of the Faith
     
    Oh I definitely get that feeling Jon but certainly not from HD/DotF. Tbh I could live without that song which was clearly last minute low effort on their part. I only included that one on my list at all because you said it gave you the shivers and I figured it'd make a decent outro wind-down for my hypothetical double album. I should probably only have counted those two as a single track like Hellion/Elecric Eye.
    I get that chills feeling when a black or death metal band hits their stride in full gallop with furious riffing. When you're just in awe of what you're hearing. Having trouble explaining what I'm trying to say here, but I know it when I hear it. In the olden days of the 1970's I used to get that chill down my spine feeling sometimes during a particularly masterful and creative guitar solo. Think Gilmour on Time or Page on Stairway. But the era of the guitar hero is ancient history now like snail mail and telephones mounted on the kitchen wall.
  12. Horns
    Sardonicist given a Damn from Spiderlix in Alternative/Rap/Funk Metal   
    I watch The Day Of The Beast last night, this rap metal song was on during the credits. 
    Def con dos - El Dia De La Bestia
     
  13. Horns
    Sardonicist gave a Damn to Dead1 in What's on your mind?   
    Oh and in case you are wondering where I fit on incompetent to lazy government worker scale:
    1. I have always heen incompetent.i was even told when Igot my job I only got it because no one else applied.
     
    2  These days I am lazy as fuck.  Why push yourself when no one else cares and everyone else is lazy or picks and chooses what work they do.
     
    My job is basically  $110,000 a year social welfare.
     
    Lots of others in same boat but they are delusional in thinking what they do somehow matters.
     
    Sometimes I get a burst of delusional enthusiasm which is crushed pretty much as soon as I interact with equally incompetent and/or lazy upper level management.
     
    Running gag between me and colleagues is we are all here just for paycheck.
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    Sardonicist gave a Damn to GoatmasterGeneral in What Are You Listening To?   
    @ Le Cabbage...
    I guess I'll need to eat pretty soon myself as it's already after 8pm here. But I just wanterd to say Darkthrone themselves are not Norsecore. The term refers to the legions of immitators who picked up on the 2nd wave template that Darkthrone helped lay down with their albums Funeral Moon and Transylvanian, along with seminal works from other early 2nd wave bands, Mayhem, Immortal, Satyricon, Gorgoroth or whomever, all the bands that helped establish the 2nd wave sound as we know it.
    Norsecore describes all these 2nd wave styled black metal bands that came along in the late 90's and 2000's who often get knocked for being blast-beat crazy, one dimensional, going full-speed ahead at all times, wall of noise full scale sonic assaults. Static as Doc might say. Many of them Swedish bands but by no means all, bands like Setherial, 1349, Urgehal, Enthroned, Dark Funeral, Tsjuder and Marduk all have albums which could be described as Norsecore. There is definitely quite a bit of punk in play here, all of this stuff has been heavily infused with punk, I can hear it anyway. Some people I'm sure use the terms Norsecore and punky black metal interchangably.
    It's not completely unlike how 'deathcore' describes the derivative bands who have taken the old school death metal template and added more stompy hardcore style breakdowns and cranked up the overblown brutality for brutality's sake (comically in many cases) up to 11. Norsecore is seen by many to be a lesser more pedestrian form of the the black arts, just as deathcore is seen by many as a lesser form of death metal that doesn't deserve a seat at the true death metal table. And in deathcore's case I raise my hand, guilty as charged. Yes, I'm an elitist gatekeeping snob. But somehow when it comes to black metal I'm totally cool with Norsecore. Not all of it, for some reason I don't really listen to very much stuff by some of those bands I just named, like Marduk, Dark Funeral, 1349 or Enthroned. But I do listen to a veritable shit ton of younger, lesser known Nordic bands who fit the general description of "Norsecore." 
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    Sardonicist given a Damn from Dead1 in Pantera and Slayer influences   
    Pantera will hold a prominent place in my listening agenda for the rest of my life. I have zero time or interest in anything influenced by Pantera. Like I would rather listen to Transylvanian Hunger 10,000 times than listen to a new low fi black metal album. 
     
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    Sardonicist gave a Damn to Dead1 in Pantera and Slayer influences   
    Pantera started off as a glam band.  Of course they were chasing wealth and fame.
    In fact by 1987-88 so was nearly every single thrash band.  So was Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath.  By 1992-93 so were most death metal bands!  Metal was becoming big business with lots of opportunities for rock stardom.
    Pantera were never Celtic Frost or Metallica or Kreator - there was no extreme metal edge or hardcore punk values in Pantera between 1981-90.
    As such they could never really sell out in 1980s as the initial premise was commercial success playing the most mainstream form of metal.
    And their transition to heavier stuff wasn't just adopting thrash metal 101 which would have been the obvious way to do it (ie sound like Metallica or Slayer).
    They actually had their own sound.  Closest was actually Sacred Reich's American Way (released in May 1990 by the time which Pantera's CFH was also already recorded).  Exhorder was still far heavier and more extreme than Pantera.
     
    And note Pantera got heavier whereas nearly every other band with any level of success just got less extreme in that same time period.  Eg look at Metallica, Death Angel, Carcass, Megadeth, Anthrax, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel, Prong, Entombed, Death etc etc.  Oout of thrash bands only Slayer and Testament got more extreme in early 1990s - literally keeping up with the times and Pantera.
    Far Beyond Driven went number 1 in the US and at the same time nearly every thrash and death metal band was effectively selling out in a bid to stay relevant.
    You'd think a more "heavier downtuned percussive approach" would actually have done them wonders like it did Pantera.
    But Pantera offered something reasonably unique.  They also fit the zeitgeist of the 1990s  - technological innovation, Rodney King riots,  mainstream acknowledgment of gang violence, realisation of American dream not functioning as promised etc.
     
     
     
    Given Pantera's origins as a glam band, they probably would have wanted to have a crystal clear mainstream sound from the start (think Mutt Lange on Def Leppard's Hysteria or Bob Rock on Motley Crue's Dr Feelgood)!
    The better production was the result of being signed to a major label.  All metal bands did it as more cash became available - I mean listen to Carcass' Symphonies of Sickness or Morbid Angel's Covenant etc and compare to their earlier sound.
    And credit where credit's due, 1990s top end metal production is the peak of metal production in my opinion.  It's not plastic and sterile sounding unlike today.  Terry Date's work on Pantera is some of the best in the biz in my opinion.
     
    The original 1990s metalcore (Vision of Disorder, Integrity, Earth Crisis, Overcast, Merauder, Hatebreed etc) had nothing to do with melodic death metal.  It was influenced by groove, death, thrash and sludge metal.
    The Gothenburg inspired "melodic metalcore" scene is a late 1990s innovation which incorporated elements of the original metalcore scene with melodic death metal and emo vocals.
     
    Eg
     
     
     
     
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    Sardonicist gave a Damn to Dead1 in Pantera and Slayer influences   
    Not sure how Pantera's earliest days is pertinent to the discussion.  
    Pantera certainly didn't genre hop for appeal - noting they were playing the most trendiest kind of music in 1980s (glam). They started shifting to a heavier approach throughout the 1980s but note both the Abbott brothers had an interest in thrash metal - Dimebag was offered a slot in Megadeth in 1989 and both the Abbott brothers were friends with Metallica in the 1980s.
    Phil Anselmo never was glam - he joined Pantera at age 19 and his first album Power Metal was a far heavier album than the previous 3 glam ones.
    Pantera just got heavier despite collapse of heavy metal as commercial music.  Cowboys From Hell was heavier than Power Metal, Vulgar heavier than Cowboys, Far Beyond heavier than Vulgar and Great Southern Trendkill had some truly extreme moments.
    Note by the time Trendkill is out, metal is commercially dead.   Pantera could have trend hopped to write a nu-metal influenced album (like Sepultura).  Instead they did it their own way and wrote probably their most extreme record despite the commercial scene.
    Reinventing the Steel was more similar  to Vulgar in terms of heaviness but again there was no trend hopping to nu-metal or emerging melodic metalcore scene.
     
    Pantera certainly is a massive influence on metalcore - bands like Earthcrisis, VOD, Integity and then later KSE etc.  Many of these bands have never denied this.  
    Pantera also had an influence on extreme metal including thrash and death metal - that more muscular approach and chunky sound that is common now comes from Pantera.  In death metal you can see the impact of Pantera on albums like Domination by Morbid Angel or Diatribes by Napalm Death or Wolverine Blues by Entombed.
    (Yes I know Exhorder is a thing.  So are Sacred Reich, Forced Entry, etc... but I doubt Exodus or Testament were channelling those guys in 1990s).
    Melodic metalcore was basically Swedish melodic death metal crossed Pantera with some emo vocals thrown in.  Pantera was one of the first bands to really do breakdowns eg This Love.
     
    As for Slayer and influence on death metal - definitely yes.  But I think it was more Show No Mercy and Hell Awaits that directly influenced death metal than Reign in Blood.  Core death metal visionaries like Possessed as well as Chuck Schuldiner were already down that pathway by the time that Reign In Blood came out.
     
    You can actually here that progression if you listen to Hell Awaits -> Seven Churches -> Scream Bloody Gore. 
  18. Horns
    Sardonicist given a Damn from GoatmasterGeneral in Why is born again hated?   
    Black Sabbath without Ozzy, I don't like any of it. 
    With a possible exception, I may give Dehumanizer a few more listens. 
    It is not just the absence of Ozzy, to me the music became boring after Ozzy's departure.
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    Sardonicist gave a Damn to RelentlessOblivion in What's on your mind?   
    Except for two factors you’re overlooking: 1. The fact our moon is resource poor, a fact agreed on by most experts in the field, and 2. The cost involved to actually establish mining outfits on the market, how are you bringing the resources back, how are you getting the equipment there, how many people do you need to keep that to run the equipment, where are you going to Houston, how are you going to feet, and so on. We know where the solar system is resource rich, Earth - easy to mine, we understand how to move, resources, what equipment is required, and the Kaiber belt, which we currently do not have the technology to reach with manned spacecraft, let alone mine.
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    Sardonicist given a Damn from FatherAlabaster in Random metal thoughts   
    War and high risk activities are for conformists. They conform to nature and society. Be all you can be. Go get it. Survival drives, bragging potential, increasing status, Nietzschean or Tommy Robbins, you just described all the worlds most conformist people that exist. Soldiering has always been considered a conformist path. In Sven Hassel novels the people who just want to exist, free of the burden of  war and ideology are portrayed as the non conformists. Now if we have the privilege of being able to just exist and we make the most of it, this makes us conformists? 
    I couldn't care less if I am conformist or not, but object to the notion that climbing mount Everest makes a person a non-conformist, seems more like if a person is rich, they are expected to climb mount Everest, or demonstrate their power in some way so they can brag about it. 
     
     
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    Sardonicist gave a Damn to FatherAlabaster in Fan of albums, not bands   
    I've known a bunch of people who exhibit what looks (to me) like misplaced loyalty towards bands that are obviously (to me) past their prime. But it's not really about the specifics of the music for them, it seems to be more of an identity thing, like team sports fandom. All the band needs to do is keep the ball rolling. Never been something I understood on a gut level but whatever.
    As far as bands needing to hang it up when the inspiration is gone, well, in a way I agree - I think there is a glut of treadmill-quality bullshit out there, legacy acts sound like they're phoning it in, new bands sound like tryhard poser bullshit in search of market share. Music is a "business" and everybody's making a "product". Right now I'm as jaded and negative about metal as I can ever remember being. But that's all in the eye/ear of the beholder too. I've had enough experiences of coming around to "new" albums or previously disliked bands after a few months or years that I never trust my own snap judgements anymore. I know my mood will change at some point and I'll hear energy and creativity in some of the stuff I'm currently dismissing out of hand.
    If some of these older guys have lost the spark to write something new that's really vital, well, ok... it's tough to keep things fresh when you're doing it in the context of all the other music you've already come up with over decades. Especially (I would imagine) when there's pressure from your team-sports lizard brain fanbase not to change too much. Maybe it's the only job they've ever had and they're not going to start a new career digging ditches in their 50s or 60s because some kids on the Internet think they've shot their load. And maybe some of these bands love putting together new stuff and playing it in front of people even if it isn't their best work. Ultimately, who are we to tell them what to do or what name to put it out under? We're free to ignore it. 
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    Sardonicist gave a Damn to Serpentboi1992 in What Are You Listening To?   
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    Sardonicist gave a Damn to Serpentboi1992 in What Are You Listening To?   
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    Sardonicist gave a Damn to zackflag in What Are You Listening To?   
    Belphegor - Lucifer Incestus
    Here's a band I haven't in about a decade. I forgot their early stuff actually rips.
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    Sardonicist gave a Damn to markm in Random metal thoughts   
    OK, you Crust lovers- I know that includes Navy, GG and Dead to some extent at least. I don't think I've heard any of these bands except High Command which I don't consider Crust:
    https://yourlastrites.com/2022/12/29/best-of-2022-in-crust-we-trust-fresh-full-lengths-for-rotting-dumpster-divers/
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