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1 hour ago, navybsn said:

Accept falls into the same category as The Scorpions, Priest, AC/DC, Def Leppard, Maiden, Twisted Sister, Sabbath, UFO, and a few others. Perfectly acceptable for the right situation (i.e. sitting around with the boys, drinking beer, and grilling some meat, pool party with the fam, cutting the grass/working around the house). Many of us of a certain vintage probably wouldn't be metalheads if it weren't for bands like these even if we have moved well past them today. I plug some of them on at times for that nostalgia kick or just some mindless enjoyment. Good void filler if you don't want to critically listen to new unfamiliar music. Doesn't require effort to enjoy. The musical equivalent to comfort food if you will.

I disagree. I would place the Scorpions and Sabbath a cut above those others into the truly great band category, 50+ year old bands that I have still not moved past.

The rest of them I would agree with what you said, perfectly fine to listen to now and then, better than turning on some "classic rock" radio I guess, but in retrospect not great bands.

Except Twisted Sister and UFO I would have to put in the worthless garbage category personally, even though I did purchase a UFO album used once 100 years ago, took a chance on it because I had heard good things. One of those bands that got a lot of notoriety but only ever wrote like 3 good songs over their entire career (I love that Lights Out song) and that was all they could ever seem to muster up. It still mystifies me that anyone over the age of 13 ever took Twisted Sister seriously and actually listened to those shitty albums more than once. Utter rubbish. But I could be biased against them partly because they were a local LI band for me as a youth. Well maybe not a youth exactly, but they were active in my late teenage rock club going days. I do kinda like that one Under the Blade song tbh, but I prefer every cover version I've ever heard of it done by an actual metal band to the original Twisted Sissy version. I'd bet money Dee, Eddie and JJ drink fruity beer.

Nocturnal Breed - Under the Blade (Twisted Sister cover)

Alright enough of that nonsense, new ASM has dropped.

Antichrist Siege Machine - Vengeance of Eternal Fire

Pungent Stench - Been Caught Buttering, Austria 1991. I feel like this album gets unfairly passed over. Absolutely one of the best death metal records of 1991. And I say that knowing there were some real bangers released in 1991.

Massacra - Enjoy the Violence, French death/thrash 1991

45 minutes ago, Arioch said:

S.O.D - Speak English or Die (1985)

Parler Anglais ou mourir?

I liked this album well enough in '85, but it hasn't aged like a fine Bordeaux. More like 40 year old camembert.

4 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Thatguy thinks ACCEPT of any vintage is 'ass'. And fruit beer ain't beer.

1.) There is no fruit in the fucking beer.

2.) Have you ever even heard any Accept before today?

3.) Accept is not a great band by any stretch because the overwhelming majority of their output is not anything noteworthy. It's very generic and nondescript heavy metal of the commercial variety. But still, they recorded the heaviest song I'd ever heard in 1982, so in my world they get huge nostalgia points for that. I know that doesn't mean anything to someone like you, because you weren't searching for the heaviest shit you could find for headbanging purposes in the early 80's, you were busy doing your residency and being a responsible adult.

4.) You're an old boomer prog head who played in wedding bands. 

4 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Fuck me, the Orca has been listening to some bad shit today. And by bad I don't mean good.

5.) True, but he likes it, keeps him out of trouble, so who are we to piss on his little parade of banal modern retro thrash bands?

6.) I'd rather not fuck you Doc, if it's all the same to you I was thinking we could just be friends.

7.) Geoffrey Chaucer once said "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones."

8 hours ago, markm said:

On the Accept discussion, Restless and Wild is cool and I do randomly enjoy Balls to the Wall, but I love me some Metal Heart. Dogs on Leeds, Too High to Get it Right, Up to the Limit, but is a bit like Screaming for Vengeance/Defenders of the Faith-moments of metal ecstasy with some commercial filler that I usually just want to skip (Midnight Mover, Screaming for a Love Bite). Piece of Mind also comes to mind. In each case, the highs are so-stick the needle in-euphoric, I'm willing to overlook both bands desires to break into the U.S. top 40 market. And, of course, Priest did just that. Metal Heart, ngl, is one of my absolutely favorite 80's metal albums. I finally repurchased the disc a few years ago when I realized it was a desert album I could not live without.

Yeah, I can agree with that for the most part, looks like Metal Heart is where our trad heavy metal tastes intersect. Midnight Mover's not even a bad song if you ignore the lyrics. Unlike the truly worthless and irredeemable garbage of that era like Love Bites or London Leatherboys or Quest for Fire.

But for me Restless & Wild wins because that was a pivotal moment in metal history. That album would definitely be on my metal albums that changed my life list if I was to make such a list like your buddy Pete Pardo from Newburgh NY. Just like many older folks will tell you about the JFK assassination, I remember exactly where I was the first time I ever heard Restless & Wild. Album was released in October '82, but the US release was a few months later in early 1983. The album had some filler on it to be sure, but the first track Fast as a Shark was at the time the heaviest thing I had ever heard up to that point. And that's all I really cared about in 1983, it really was a contest to see what was the heaviest new shit I could find. Metallica and then Slayer both released debut albums later in 1983 that surpassed the heaviness of Fast as a Shark, but for a brief while there Accept were the kings of heavy metal.

EDIT: That said, Balls to the Wall is one of the worst albums of the entire decade. Title track was noteworthy mostly just because he says "balls." Every other song on that particular album I'd rather fuck my earholes with rusty ice picks than listen to.

15 minutes ago, AlSymerz said:

At least you'll be able to keep your fruity beer cold!

Gloryhammer - Tales From the Kingdom of Fife

1.) There is no fruit in the beer.

2.) I'm not the one who likes the citrusy IPA beer, I like the 5,000 mile dirty crank case oil.

3.) Gloryhammer is ass. Not in a good way like 'tits & ass' I mean as in the dirty thing your shit comes out of. I'd gladly drink nothing but fruity beer for the rest of my natural life if I could erase the memory of the two minutes of Gloryhammer I just listened to.

1 hour ago, JamesT said:

Good evening, my friend! As far as I understand it, the "southern metal" descriptor is merely a reference to the style of music being played, rather than the location where the band is based.  I remember posting about a band called Black Tooth, who play a southern-tinged groove metal sound similar to PanterA, and they're from Turkey.  A couple of others are Betzefer (from Israel) and Overcharger (who I think are from Germany, but I could be mistaken) and Behind the Smokescreen (from Greece).  They tend to model their sound after bands like PanterA, Down, Corrosion of Conformity, Crowbar, etc., that are all from down here in the American south (most of those bands are from New Orleans, but I still claim them, being from the southeast region of the country!).  I have a few thousand songs in my music library that fall under the "southern/groove metal" label, so I'm constantly making my way through them.

It gives me great joy that you're at least mildly curious about the modern era of Accept!  I'm actually the opposite - I almost exclusively listen to this new era.  I know some folks might consider this to be metal sacrilege, but I much prefer Mark Tornillo as a singer over Udo.  Don't get me wrong - I own several U.D.O. albums, and I like Udo quite a bit.  And very occasionally, I'll listen to "Restless and Wild", "Balls to the Wall", "Objection Overruled", etc.  But in my opinion, Mark is a far more dynamic singer - he has that very gruff singing voice in general, and he can hit those banshee screams at will.  I'm absolutely pumped for the release of "Humanoid" (Mark's 6th album with the band now) next Friday, April 26!

With regard to this modern era of Accept, my top recommendation would be Mark's debut with the band, "Blood of the Nations" (2010).  However, right on its heels would be "The Rise of Chaos" (2017).  I can say with all honesty that I enjoy all 5 (soon to be 6, I'm fully confident) of the Tornillo-era albums fairly equally, but I'd put those two at the top of the list.  And hey, I'm psyched that the Goatmaster even cares enough to ask for my humble opinion on these albums!  I hope you're not totally disappointed (I can't conceive how these albums would be even remotely disappointing, but of course, I'm incredibly biased toward this era), but I'd be curious to hear your thoughts if you do decide to have a listen.

Take care, my metal friend!

P.S.  I hope that issue with your refrigerator/freezer turned out okay!

Well James, I bought a new fridge, so I resolved the compressor issue that way. Had a local guy come out and replace the compressor's electric harness for $190, and it got cold again, but that fix only lasted 2 or 3 days before it got warm inside there again. But the whole shopping experience was quite frustrating. The dead fridge I had purchased 2 and a half years previously was backordered for two months, so I went with the next one down which was essentially the exact same fridge just 3 cubic feet smaller, same depth, 3" less width. I needed the same brand GE because I got all the appliances in the matching slate color and only GE offers that. But for some unknown reason the smaller fridge costs $300 more than the larger one, $1,900 vs $1,600! That's even crazier than southern metal from Turkey! I thought about waiting the two months to get the bigger cheaper one but I was so damn sick of running out for ice every other day and I was losing tons of food that kept getting waterlogged as the ice melted. Anyway it's here and done now, and it's cold, and I've stopped throwing so much food away, so it's all good. Only problem now is I can't level it. I have the back feet screwed all the way up and the front feet unscrewed all the way down and it's still tilted forward so we had to put 3/4" wooden blocks under the front feet just so the two veggie drawers won't slide open every time I open my fridge. But that's what happens in a 150 year old house that's got trees for floor joists, nothing's square, level or plumb here.

I've just had dinner and spent 3 hours simplifying fractions with the kid, but now he's in bed so back to Accept. I listened to this one earlier but never posted it, probably the heaviest Accept album I've ever heard, pretty cool tbh. I hadn't realized when UDO left in '87 that he'd come back again for a few more years in the 90's.

Accept - Death Row, 1994

Alright bro you've convinced me, Blood of the Nations is shall be. My problem right off the bat though is that this isn't Accept, it's just some generic heavy metal band doing their version of Accept. Even though the first song's chorus conjures up memories of "Wrong is Right" off Metal Heart and the solos are clearly Wolf's work. I'm afraid when it's all said and done at the end of the day I'm gonna have to be one of those No Udo = No Accept hardliners. This is another reason why I go more for the extreme metal where the vocalists can tend to be more interchangeable. 

P.S. halfway through now I can see why you'd be into this generic heavy metal over early Accept, it's catchy and well done and maybe just a wee bit heavier than old Accept. Some of the songs are even pretty cool, (or at least better than what you typically expect to get from later era Maiden or Priest or Megastaine) it's just not triggering my nostalgia for 1982 R&W era Accept, which was the Accept I grew up with.

2 hours ago, JamesT said:

Overkill - "The Grinding Wheel"

Accept - "Blood of the Nations"

Accept - "Stalingrad"

Whiskey Rebellion - Self-titled (EP)

Yo JT can you explain to me sir how these Whiskey Rebel dudes play "southern metal" if they're from fucking Sheboygan, Wisconsin? Can't get much less southern than that unless you go to Alaska. Or is 'southern' just a state of mind? Back in the day our "southern rock" bands were Skynyrd, Hatchet, ABB, MTB and the Outlaws. And even as a New Yorker I loved all that shit. But those bands were all from Florida, Jaw-ja and Carolina. No one would have accepted a "southern" rock band from up north in Yankeeland. Nowadays it seems they have "southern" bands from up north and I even saw one or two you posted that were actually European. What's up widdat?

Also I'm mildly curious to try one of these modern post-Udo Accept albums you keep posting just to see what they sound like without Udo. (which one would you recommend I try?) But I never actually do it because I'm sure I'll be disappointed. I only ever liked two Accept albums to begin with even back in their hey-day, R&W and Metal Heart, so I'm not exactly a super-fan. Did see them once at L'amour in '85 though and I have to admit they put on a helluva show. I saw TT Quick a few times a few years before that back when they were a LI club band and I even had their first EP so I'm somewhat familiar with MT, and I don't think I could accept that guy as the front-man for Accept. It's Udo's band dammit. His thick German accent and being just barely over 5 feet tall was part of the appeal. I guess change can be hard for us old guys.

Accept - Metal Heart 1985

1 hour ago, markm said:

Necrot-Lifeless Birth, I dunno, these guys don't do a lot for me

First album was pretty good and I caught them live in Denver on that tour back in '17 opening for Denmark's Undergang which was a solid performance. But this new album's a snoozer, listened to half of it one time, wouldn't buy it. Just checked, it's the same 3 guys, wonder what happened? Turns out writing memorable death metal isn't as easy as it looks.

Pungent Stench - For God Your Soul... For Me Your Flesh, Austria 1990

Benediction - The Grand Leveller, UK 1991

22 minutes ago, AlSymerz said:

Megadeth - RIP

Holy shit, did Dave die or something?

Big motherfucking Lebowski, one of my very favorite memes. I love the way he just stirs that drink ad infinitum 'til the end of time. Or 'til the end of the internet, whichever comes first. That also happens to mirror the exact look on my face while I'm reading most of your posts! 

I also like this one quite a bit...

And this one...

And of course this all time classic...

9 hours ago, navybsn said:

I believe that is what really turned me off to IPAs. Like Surge, I won't turn down a perfectly good beer if someone is handing it to me, but they're never my first choice. Down here, breweries either try to see just how bitter they can make a beer as some kind of badge of honor or how many weird ass fruit combos can be added. It's akin to the hot wings trend, let's make these perfectly good chicken wings inedible as some test of manhood by adding 43 ghost peppers and top it with a scotch bonnet. People claim to enjoy them, but I can't see how.

And it's all fine and good. Plenty of beer out there to like for everyone. Just annoying that every brewery has to have 60-75% of the menu dedicated to the same variation of style. In stores, seems that's all they carry anymore and most just suck (the ones you mentioned, Voodoo Ranger, Space Dust, 420, the list goes on). Many started out good, but over the years got bought out by conglomerates or over expanded and the quality dropped. Stone was sold several years ago and had never been the same.

Everyone has their own preferences. I personally don't like German beer. Lukewarm on IPAs and Pilsners. Will never seek one out, but will never turn down a freebie.

Exactly. It was the extreme bitterness of the several IPAs I'd tried that turned me off to it. And like you say, the fact that 70% of what you find out there in the stores is in that one specific style is really annoying. I know they can't literally stock everything, but come on man. But just like you & Surge, I'll drink an IPA if you hand me one. But when I'm headed out to the store to buy stuff to drink at home on my own I'm basically gonna be looking for barrel aged stouts and porters. Harder to find in recent years, I seem to only be able to find the same handful of options whereas 5 or more years ago there seemed to be a plethora of options in that barrel aged niche. I've been assuming that part of my inability to find variety had to do with the fact that I've moved out to a more rural area now where it seems the local farmers and redneck tradesmen are perfectly happy drinking the cheapo major brand piss water. Nothing else to add other than everything I've ever tried from Stone brewery has always been ass afaic. That's just how business works though, any moderately successful small town brewery will get bought out by the majors sooner or later, it's inevitable.

32 minutes ago, AlSymerz said:

Make all beer taste like shit seems closer to the truth.

If you just don't like beer, (and there's nothing wrong with someone not liking beer) then why join in on the beer convo? We get it dude, you've made your point. You don't like or drink beer anymore. OK great, thanks for stopping by with that informative PSA.

Obituary ‎@ Frozen Alive recorded at Stodoła Club, Warsaw Poland. August 24th, 2006

2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Yeah, nah. We certainly go on the piss, but piss is also weak and watery beer, like, XXXX.

We call all that weak watery stuff piss water. But if you said to a Yank someone's 'on the piss' we'd probably think you meant they were in the dunny or they'd pissed their pants or something. We don't say piss up or piss artist or anything like that.

I have heard the phrase "piss drunk" a few times, but never just pissed all by itself. We do have pretty much all the other dozens of slang expressions you'd use for drunkenness over here, just not pissed.

8 minutes ago, AlSymerz said:

 Any beer that tastes like a fruit bowl is a travesty, all booze is piss and too much booze is pissed.

 

There is no fruit in the beer.  

Yanks could never adopt your Commonwealthers' usage of "pissed" because pissed already means angry over here. So if one of your bogan juicer mob says I got home late and she was pissed, it'd mean she'd been hitting the sauce while you were out and now she's sloshed. If we Yanks say I got home late and she was pissed it means she was waiting for you with a blunt object and/or she's changed the locks, and/or she's thrown all your clothes out on the front lawn and set them on fire.

1 hour ago, MacabreEternal said:

This again.  Blokes live in Spain but are from Cuba originally.  Look at his tricep. Someone's been doing his behind-the-neck broadsword extensions - 3 sets x 10 reps.

Good band. Their 2021 album Svmma Cvm Nox Arcana made my year end list that year.

Yeah he could be pumping the old iron, or he could just be a dedicated hardcore wanker who does it lefty.

Narbeleth - Svmma Cvm Nox Arcana, Cuba 2021

1 hour ago, AlSymerz said:

I never said I don't like fruit.  Just that it has no place in beer.

There is no fruit in the beer. Hops, barley, malt, yeast.

I don't like fruit. Blueberries maybe but that's about it.

3 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Or he's found the VB...which is piss by the way.

Don't you Ozzies call all beer "piss" even the good stuff?

1 hour ago, AlSymerz said:

Beer should taste like beer not a fruit bowl....at least it doesn't taste like a fruit salad.

Alright, but thrash is fruity and you love that. And Iron Maiden, they don't come much fruitier than that. Seems like a bit of a contradiction from where I sit.

Funkadelic - Promentalshitbackwashpsychosis Enema Squad. (The Doodoo Chasers)

Fried ice cream IS a reality.

Aosoth - Complete Show Live In Paris, Oct 27, 2016

1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

Personal taste is personal taste, but you're wrong. Hoppy bitterness rules - as do Fen, Krallice and Aosoth.

If personal taste is wrong, I don't wanna be right. I wouldn't put Aosoth in the same category as Krallice and IPA. I'm not completely in love with them like so many of you prog guys seem to be, but they're not double hopped bitter Krallice level dogshit. I even bought one of their albums some years back, reckon that's gotta be a decade ago by now. 

58 minutes ago, AlSymerz said:

Wanting beer that tastes like fruit is like wanting bacon that tastes like ice cream.

Ah but bacon flavored ice cream is the bomb Holmes. The devil's in the details Victor Victoria.

Fried ice cream is a reality.

1 hour ago, FatherAlabaster said:

Both of these are swill in my book. They're better than Bud but that's not saying much. I can understand not liking IPAs, especially if you've never had a really good one as fresh as possible, or maybe if you're someone (like my wife) who finds hop bitterness disgusting. Even under good conditions the flavors can take a while to click. But unless you've tried the real deal, you don't know what you're missing.

I was burned out on the hazy ones until I lost my sense of smell to Covid the first time around. Hazy, hoppy IPAs were the only thing that cut through the noise and tasted "normal" to me. Lucky me, northern VT is the land of plenty.

Yes, it's that hoppy bitterness that I just can't stand. I think "disgusting" is about right. It's not like coffee that I can just put a teaspoon of sugar in to take the edge off. The only IPA I can remember ever truly enjoying was Firestone Walker's Union Jack. Tastes like grapefruit to me but after a couple I got used to it.

I understand that all these mass produced 5% beers are still "swill" and so I do still always keep some 11% stouts on hand because I do truly enjoy them. But with a meal or a warm summer evening sometimes I just want something a bit lighter, but not Bud-Coors-Miller-Corona-PBR level piss water swill, and the ever popular Heineken is probably the nastiest shit of them all.

And honestly the Founders KBS and Backwoods Bastard and Rasputin Imperial Stout and shit like that while quite tasty, costs $5.50 - $6 a fucking bottle here. Even the more reasonably pried stouts around here go for $4 - $5  per bottle anymore these days. Gone are the days when you can find a selection of 4-packs for $12.  Those shits are $18 and up now. I can't afford every single beer I crack open to cost me $6 a bottle like I'm at the club. That's a god damned black metal album download I could have bought FFS.

4 hours ago, navybsn said:

As you can imagine, IPAs of all variations are prime movers in Sunny Florida. Beer menus are dominated by IPAs with various fruity additions. I do like the citrus variations (mango, orange, etc) as they tend to take the edge off the overbearing bitterness breweries tend to show as a badge of honor with the IPAs. We also tend to have a lot of Gose, Kolsch, and Pale ales. All fine, but I prefer beers I can't see through. So if it's too warm for a good stout, I want a black ale, scotch ale, or I will settle for a nice amber or honey brown. We've got a couple places here doing Czech style ales that are amazing, but you have to get them at the breweries. Will never see them on a shelf.

Again, not complaining. I have access to more quality beer than I could ever need, but it's a shame to see the commercially available craft beer market essentially turn into the domestic beer market it was a reaction to years ago. Lack of choice, same bland styles, just with added costs for the end user.

"I prefer beers I can't see through. So if it's too warm for a good stout, I want a black ale, scotch ale, or I will settle for a nice amber or honey brown."  - Navy Goat Butcherer

Yes this. I remember when I was in the pubs of Australia and all their beers were piss colored. I didn't know wtf to order, had to ask Carlissimo which piss he was drinking. My go-to here at home has become the Yuengling black & tan, $15 for a 12-pack, an eastern PA beer available everywhere and anywhere around here. And if they don't have it on tap they'll have their lager which is almost as ubiquitous as Budweiser around these parts, just with a wee bit more flavor. Because I don't always want a heavy syrupy stout with my dinner or in the warmer months. I'll grab a 6 pack of Smitty's red ale now and then as well. I ordered one at the Irish Cottage one time several years ago with my shepherds pie and I really liked it. And yeah fuck a bunch of bitter IPA's, I honestly find it hard to believe people like that shit so much.

2 hours ago, Nasty_Cabbage said:

I really don't like braunschweiger, but this stuff is pretty good.

I don't think I've ever had braunschweiger, but I do dig me some liverwurst which is pretty much the same shit. On rye with a slice of cheese, tomato, red onions and plenty of dijon mustard. Haven't had one of those in a million years though, and now I fucking want some. But of course now it's midnight, and everything's closed and the kid is sleeping. Putting it on the damn shopping list now though, gonna score me some tomorrow I can tell you that. Oh shit, the local deli/butcher is closed on Mondays. Alright then I guess Chewsday will have to be braunschweiger and goregrind day.

Sadistic Intent - Resurrection of the Ancient Black Earth, death metal LA 2000. These guys never managed to get an official full-length album out, but we did get this killer 51 minute compilation of their two EP's from '94 & '97.

Vastum - Hole Below, SF 2015

Witch Vomit - Buried Deep In a Bottomless Grave, Portland OR 2019

Hellish Crossfire - Slaves of the Burning Pentagram, Germany 2006. Sick death/thrash album. I might possibly consider this to be my favorite thrash album ever. Their second album in 2010 wasn't nearly as good imo, and then that's been it from them. 

Excoriate - On Pestilent Winds...  German death metal 2009. Band broke up in 2006, and this was their only full length album released posthumously 3 years later. And what an album it was. Classic. Guitar player Patrick "Evil Possessor" Tauch is in Venenum now, and was also the drummer for Hellish Crossfire. Wouldn't mind having this artwork on a t-shirt.

Trench Hell - Southern Cross Ripper, black/thrash Melbourne Australia 2008. They put this 6 track 22 minute EP out in 2008 after a 3 track 10 minute demo in '04, then had one track on a split the following year and that was it, 36 minutes of music total and they've never been heard from again. Shame because this is fucking killer. I actually have this t-shirt but I don't wear it out in public much without another shirt over it, just in case some little old ladies in town were to get the wrong idea.

28 minutes ago, AlSymerz said:

We have high taxes on booze that increase every six months and makes many imported liquors extremely expensive so many of the local breweries got bought out by big international breweries who bottle their product here and avoid the import tax. Still makes them expensive but local booze only gets three taxes on it, imported gets four.

But it's increased the brands astronomically. At our major booze stores now there is over 140 different branded beers and many of those have multiple flavours in their range. Most boozers wouldn't handle the full range and depending on the area (inner city yuppie, urban, rural) would depend on the brands stocked but the big ones stock most of them.

Why so many brands? I could see in the big smoke, but out there in the bush I thought all you bogans just kept things simple and always drank VB & Jim Beam?