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3 hours ago, FatherAlabaster said:

This response is puzzling to me. There are obviously way more men than women in metal. I'm not sure how you got the impression that I was saying otherwise.

Sorry I skim read your long but we'll written response and I got the wrong impression. I thought you were saying  that there was alot more females working in metal bands and in the industry as a whole than most people realise. ? Probably last night's ? did not help.  

13 hours ago, noblastbeats said:

I think he uses both quite effectively. I think the Plague Within benefited enormously with the death growls and I'm glad to hear they'll be present on the new stuff too

Absolutely 100 percent agree. After gothic he gave up on the growl too much for me and they did very well at sounding like Metallica load era imo but not for me but they had successful career and paid there mortgages no doubt . Brilliant clean singer but perfect with a few growls. ??Really top combination. Video is a bit depressing but good as it reminds us of the misery  that  others go through which might make us want to help others. Just my ridiculous take no doubt? 

2 hours ago, Lord_Man_Hammer_ said:

Yo that Bewitched video is so rad, epic, and hilarious it makes me giggle like a little kid.   Plus the singer looks like a metal version of Donkey Lips from Salute Your Shorts.

 

Your right bewitched video is fu*king a. Hilarious but very doom at the same time. ? Not seen many funny metal videos like that for along time as mostly pyschopathic or just very sad and a welcome change ? plus music's is neck brackingly good

4 hours ago, GorboGorboze said:

Hey, I definitely feel Candlemass is worth some attention. I'll answer you without fact checking, so watch out that I might say things untrue and misspell titles and names even. Go ahead and listen to the first album first. It is call Epicus Doomicum metallicus , which is not good Latin at all, but scholarship is maybe not the bands strong suit. Their strong suit is being super heavy and fucking rocking in the utmost. That first album is not long, and has a tune called Demons Gate, which is fantastic. If I turn out to be wrong about Demon's Gate and it is on another album, make sure you get to hear that song. The vocalist on that first album is good, and he never did another until their most recent album. The drummer is astounding on that first album, and as far as I can tell, he has never been on another published recording. I don't know his name but it is Something "weasel" Something. We metal heads, we live in a world full of incredible drummers, but sometimes listening to Epicus I'm blown away by the drumming. What became of that guy? I don't know.

  When you've heard that debut, move on to any album where Mesiah Mercoli does the vocals, and watch a video with him in it, like the music video for "bewitched" for example. Dude is big, has huge curly dark hair and performs in Franciscan robes. It's not to be missed.

  That dude Rob Loe, or however you spell it from Solitude Eaturnus recorded several Candelmass albums for better or worse. His is a dingus as far as I can tell, but not a bad vocalist. Try King of the Gray Islands (maybe not the correct title, but maybe close). 

  I really like the album Death Magic Doom, I think it has both "The Bloody Barronese" and some tune about a sea monster called... I don't know "monster of the Deep" is not right, great tune though.

  Lot's of Candlemass albums if you like them, and they seemed to keep coming.

 

Yes thank you gorbogorboze will check a few of those suggestions out.  Messiah mecoli sounds ace as he's so dramatic.physical  Description is very similar to my favourite cousin maybe that's what he should do next instead of being a fuc**ng  writer.?   Seriously though I've got alot of great music to keep me occupied espe ially when life throws up a blizzard. Many thanks. ?Your right though candlmass know how to rock to the max. I only listened to latest one and best is in the past no doubt.   Though paradise lost recent you tube video is really good. Proves that bands can improve with age. Probably digressing.?blame it on too many ???????????

2 hours ago, Lord_Man_Hammer_ said:

Yo that Bewitched video is so rad, epic, and hilarious it makes me giggle like a little kid.   Plus the singer looks like a metal version of Donkey Lips from Salute Your Shorts.

 

Very much looking forward to seeing the candlmass bewitched video and no doubt alot better than thAt rubbish UK pop band by the same name. You can not be serious. Ahgg ????the ball was on the line. Chalk flew?sorry John McEnroe Wimbledon tennis moment is hilarious.  Digressing again. Sorry ?☠️?

On 3/10/2020 at 6:59 PM, FatherAlabaster said:

This isn't a debate. You're just offering rhetoric and personal observations to back up your armchair musings and trying to bat down anyone who seems to have a different view. Can't call it a celebration either, the only thing you seem to be celebrating is your own writing.

It's hard to know where to start responding to this thread. It's essentially dishonest. It's not about "women in metal", it's about your opinions and the (limited) role you see for women in metal; and it's not about discussing "reasons" for your unsupported claim that women tend to do vocals rather than play instruments, because you seem to have it all figured out. You're just here to expound. I guess it's kind of clever to say you're interested in a "discussion" of some point, when you're actually taking it as a given and using it to support your other ideas, because it keeps the ball in your court and everyone else on their back foot. It lets you steer things towards the points you want to make. But it doesn't make for a good thread.

I'm not convinced that women in rock and metal do, in fact, statistically tend to be vocalists rather than play instruments; maybe you just think that because you notice them more? Even if that were the case, it's a pretty big jump to claim that it must be due to physical or mental differences between the genders. Of course you don't come right out and say that you think they can't hack it; you say that they "just aren't interested" in those instruments, offer a counterpoint of actual data that doesn't support what you're saying, and then brush it aside with some handwaving about "an Ed Sheeran effect". Now, the "Ed Sheeran effect" is actually about women finding red-haired men more attractive because of Ed Sheeran's popularity, but you're extending it to say it's also the reason why women are buying more guitars lately. The subtext there is that it's all down to sex appeal and marketing, not some organic uptick in female interest in playing music. In other words, women aren't really interested in music, per se, but they might manage to learn how to bang out some tunes thanks to the influence of a popular male cultural figure.

Then we get to the "small hands" bit. This is a howler. If this was true, you'd think women (and men!) with small hands wouldn't take up the bass guitar, or the cello, or the double bass... and yet they do! (On this note, I would invite you to think back about ten or fifteen years to the stereotype that "chicks always play the bass".) You'd think people with larger hands wouldn't play violin, or mandolin, or anything else comparatively tiny and finicky... and yet they do. Guitar's not that big of an instrument. Playing metal is not some massive, Herculean undertaking. And you can't use the fact that women tend to have smaller hands than men, statistically, on average, as evidence for some sharp distinction between the genders. Hand size is a spectrum. There's no bright-line discontinuity. This is a category error on your part.

You lecturing ChainsawAkimbo about "real science" being "based on observation" is extra funny when you haven't offered one bit of real-world data to support what you're saying, aside from a few anecdotes about a handful of musicians within your own sphere of knowledge. Deliberately misunderstanding his point about "cavemen" doesn't do you any favors. And the repeated worries about staying "on topic" are pretty funny too, considering that you said you wanted to "celebrate women in metal" but have yet to mention anything actually positive about any particular female musician, or women's contributions to music in general. Since we're relying on personal anecdotes here, I'd like to share that I personally know a bunch of ripping female musicians - some of whom love and play metal - and I can assure you that in my 27 years of playing music I've seen no evidence of any difference in talent or ability on any instrument that I could attribute to gender. There is no denying that women are underrepresented in rock and metal, but you're way out over your skis.

Now I'm gonna go listen to Anachronism, and maybe some Nachtlieder.

 

I agree with you on so many points but when we talk about famous household names in metal  most are men. There's a fair few women though nightwish singer floor Jansen who are big, evenesence singer, within temptation singer Sharon ?? can't remember the rest,  Becca from code orange, Gina from baroness both in biggish bands on guitar. Myrkur mastermind who ruffled a few feathers with her take on black metal who does lots of instruments. Your right though alabaster that theres alot more women playing metal when you look more carefully but there just not all household names but for some reason the numbers of women in metal bands seems to be lower than say pop music.  Just my take. Prove me wrong! ?

I was reading about how suicide silence really annoyed there fans with a change of direction from deathcore to a nu metal .the fans were highly fu*ked  about this.???? They've gone heavy again apparently.(never listened to them) 

what  other bands have really annoyed there fans so much that a big part of the audience never had much to do with them again. There's got to be some good ones surely. I know of a few but would like to find out what others have to say about this. 

On 3/29/2020 at 5:33 PM, Lord_Man_Hammer_ said:

I've been riding my bike hard as shit listening to Pallbearer and Salems Pot swooo sick like those redneck kids in Gummo so badass!

 

In my opinion when riding bikes or skating is to have a soundtrack for random encounters, life is not meant to lived in fearl but to avoid most humans in general.

Thanks for the recommendations. The sleep one is a good. Been listening to a few of there's on you tube. They've got a amazing reputation. Will check the other one you said                 Yesssssssss palllbearrrrrrrrrrrrrr great choice. In fact I need to get new headphones as my new ones are not bassy enough or loud enough to fully appreciate there sound. 

 Your right listening to music alot is a must and through headphones is a must for me. Get a few hours in a day.  A good doom band is nixa and album is called opus tierra. Should be No1 in the charts but some how is not ?very catchy band from florida with a pallbearer type of sound 

On 3/24/2020 at 5:50 PM, GorboGorboze said:

Candlemass has to rate for depth, raw power and magisty.

Cathedral is on my list for it's artistic scope, I feel that it's really serious about making a supreme effort, even if they have a particularly silly side as well.

Manilla Road does the rough and ready rock and roll thing the best, better than pentagram, more direct even than Saint Vitus I think.

Cirith Ungal because their music fills me with a thrilling sense of dread.

 

That's my list of four, and Cathedral is the dispensable selection, because if the question was this "If you could have all entire output of four given doom bands given to you on vinyl, what would those bands be?" I might choose Pagan Altar instead, I don't know.

Out of interest what is considered the best candlemass album and what is your favourite one of there's. Are they the same album? People always speak highly of this band so probably time I gave them a spin. Also need to listen to less black metal. 

10 hours ago, noblastbeats said:

Oh OK, sorry about that!

Thanks for the link to paradise lost even if you accidentally broke rules in doing so. Live and learn. ? Will check out that track. Are you a fan of clean singing Holmes or the growler. ?

1)new paradise lost album . Should be good and I liked the songs I heard from last album. songs I heard had more of nick holmes famous growel in them which I really liked

2)new Mastodon album- very interested to see what they do. As they can throw in a few curve balls at times ? will it be more digestible like last one or a deep but hard work concept album ?

3) Time 2by wintersun would be great if not just a new album. Maybe this is just wishful thinking to get anything

On 3/25/2020 at 5:30 PM, Lord_Man_Hammer_ said:

 

For me I like Dystopia as it covers every aspect of punk/metal. Many bands over haven't explored this option.

I have heard noothgrush and there pretty good. Definitely doom metal bits with big crunching chords  Oh yeahhhhh??☠️but other styles in there too somebits sounded a bit like death metal influence

Will definitely check out dystopia though on your recommendation as I really need to listen to less black metal and will take my mind of the fu***##Corona virus news.       Pallbearer are excellent but you need them with lots of bass and I mean loads and very loud too. The risk of neighbours complaining is worth it in my opinion ?

On 3/25/2020 at 6:45 PM, audiophile said:

Hands down "Live After Death". Excellent audio and the camera work was great. Back in the day, Stryper's "Live in Japan" was really well shot.

Live after death. What a recording of maiden live. Really gets alot of the energy of it all with great camera work and sound quality is really good like you said. Dodgy clothes though ? mind you other bands no doubt wore worse in the 80s probably another thread for that? i take it most fans count Dickinson as the maiden frontman. 

There must be a few other classic live filmed concerts anyone? priest and Sabbath likely and Metallica definitely but anymore apart from big 4 live ??☠️

On 3/25/2020 at 6:45 PM, audiophile said:

Hands down "Live After Death". Excellent audio and the camera work was great. Back in the day, Stryper's "Live in Japan" was really well shot.

Great thanks audio phile will check those out. I can only guess that bands don't really release many live filmed recordings these days? Has it ever been much of a thing? There are a few recently released ones of note prob amon amarth is best of the newer lived filmed gigs but was quite expensive new. 

Assuming there is not already a thread for this I was interested in what are people's favourite recorded filmed live metal shows? I can't go to so many gigs even before Corona due to family commitments but am interested what others like. I really like immortal live at wacken 2007 such energy and show manship, obituary live at bloodstock 2016 just a very good show all round everything very sharp.  

Gojira have said they only really make money from touring and not from records these days. They also said they don't need to record an album very often as they've got a big fan base for good touring revenue and might explain 5 years since last album. Metallica never need to record another album as there fan base is just mega ? stadium tours for along time to come. they probably will record another one though which probably won't be as good as album's ending with master of puppets. This is my opinion though and a few others I would imagine share this? and sure hope papa het gets out of rehab Refreshed soon. Smaller bands probably need to record album's and put them out to build up a fan base so they then make proper careers from the music biz which seems harder than ever. Is that the way it still works?

20 hours ago, FatherAlabaster said:

Not sure where you're getting that impression. He got a ton of credit for being one of rock's great drummers over the past few decades, including being selected by readers' poll as Modern Drummer's "Best Rock Drummer" for seven years in a row in the 80s. Maybe not as much of a household name as Bonham but certainly not laboring in anonymity. 

That's great to know he was getting good recognition when he was alive. ? Your right though not the biggest household name. Sadly missed by alot of fans around the world and taken too early by a very nasty illness. ? 

On 3/21/2020 at 3:50 PM, Lord_Man_Hammer_ said:

I smoke entirely too much weed and have been in isolation for awhile now. I know I am okay.

 

If I were to bring in another micro doom/sludge list bands Noothgrush, Dystopia, EHG, Grief/Brainoil.

Music you could really bang your skull to.

I guess you need something to keep you going during this odd Corona period. I get by eating unhealthy amount of sweets as I gave up drinking for health reasons. 

Re the music Will have to check out some of them bands but with long work hours  free time is hard to come by. Which is your favourite band of the 4. 

One thing about Neil Peart. do you reckon he was given enough credit for his drumming during his lifetime. Alot of drummers really looked up to him for his technical brilliance and he inspired them to be better players but most of that was said after he passed away. I mean I can't remember him being one of the drummers the media talked about being one of the best but it was pretty obvious he was technically amazing one of the best drummers when you heard rush live or on cd. So much going on with all sorts of different time sigs. I'm not a drummer so I'm just saying what I hear. And finally he died too young imo ? 

On 2/17/2020 at 4:48 PM, MacabreEternal said:

Cradle of Filth - Dusk and her Embrace

Stupid music television in the early 00's proper pissed me off with their constant showing of Her Ghost in the Fog and equally stupid me shunned the whole discography of CoF as a result.  As part of some reviews I am writing currently this album came up and you know what, I actually fucking love it.  There's a lot going on for sure but somehow it feels consistent and cohesive with the dense atmosphere though is woven superbly by those keys.

4.5/5

Tool - Sober

Just the one track from Undertow, the rest of that album and pretty much all of their discography is none of my business but from the first time of hearing this song I was hooked by it's clever lyrics and dank atmosphere (another video that got shitloads of airtime back in the day).

3/5

Negura Bunget - N' Crugu Bradului

Ending this week of music listening with a moan.  Thoroughly unimpressed with this release.  A tale of two halves with one half (the second) being better than the chaotic and confused first two tracks.  Perfect example here of a complete brain gush of ideas and all of them making it onto the album's opening two tracks with no quality control.

2/5

1 Will definitely give dusk a go as cradle of filth are a decent band from what I've heard even with all the personel changes. With so many bands around not really listened to them.  Dani seems to be the key ingredient to make it work. Am I assuming too much as I've only heard 3 of there tracks. ?

Bismuth- the slow dying of the Great barrier reef_ not normally a fan of drone music but again read a review and gave this album a go. which off the bat I just loved. It really gets that ocean vibe to it with lots of decayed elements naturally of course. Vocals are good and they create a great sound for 2 piece band.only two tracks but title track last 30 plus minutes so did not feel short changed. 

Slow-dantalion- still listening to this again. Quality funeral doom with orchestral light relief in what can be at times a slightly overwhelming record but so atmospheric that it's playing it further. 

It took me a few listens but with headphones especially pallbearers heartless album sounds really great. Such power and I really like the lyrics too. Old album's are very strong too. Not reinvention of genre but there music is great to listen to. I envisioned it being music anybody would like and they would get quite big. Very accessible but I was a bit wrong about everyone liking there music. I was asked by a friend to get them a great record and they did not like heartless at all. But I got a cd out of it. ? .Not for everyone and would love to see them live again soon. Did a great  set  at Camden underworld last year in a small but famous venue with not great acoustic s due to low ceilings. Have I got that wrong re acoustics at underworld. What do others think about pallbearer. Would be interested to hear people opinion these days as the comments are from couple of years ago. What blutAusNerd said was interesting though. Are they a band that you love of just don't get. No middle area?

1) korpi by kalmakantaja ok so this band does release a lot of albums and this album has realluy grown on me. it initially was a bit generic but after more listens its getting respectable

2)emperor- in the nighshade eclipse. fanatastic album. stone cold classic.no real need to talk about it technically because its just a bm classic. yes the band did some terrible things but they've done there time. the music is just amazing. transports me to fantasy land  which is a lot better than being stuck at work non stop for a whole week. ??

3 no time for a third 

hell yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Lord_Man_Hammer_ is spot on with pallbearer, every album amazing and very good live as well. though not sure my cousin liked them, has not spoken to me much since about the gig, pallbearer are very good and people should give them a go great songs,lyrics, vocal;s music

2 nixa's latest album opus tierra is really good. I mean this album should be really big as its catchy, got great vocals, interesting lyrics and the production they got on the album is amazing the riffs are as massive as the himalayers  and this is for a band that pretty much died and had to reinvent themselves.

illimitable dolors debut record is great. after the death of there band mate they created this band to pay tribute to there fallen brother. an outstanding doom band from oz but maybe that's the select few to be honest as they seem to hbave a small following

4 to be honest there is no 4 yet as I listen to toomuch black metal and funeral doom as well ? 

An excellent response ? everydays a school day as they say. I used to listen to vinyl  mostly as a youngster as it was alot cheaper than full price CDs and I preferred them to tapes. I couldn't play CDs easily as only player was my parents and they hated my music with a passion? even after all these decades there metal fans 

For me I listen to mostly MP3 recordings as they are cheap and I don't get the clutter of loads of physical copies of the album which is useful in my small house. If I had the space I would get vinyl as sound to me ears is generally a bit better. Plus googled it and experts say vinyl is superior to c

CDs as the full recorded sound wave is captured on vinyl where CDs don't.think that's what it was saying? 

First proper metal festival I went to was bloodstock 2016 as reading is not for me a metal festival. I had a great day. Rotting Christ were amazing live I can't say why but it really worked but they sounded great and looked metal as fuck? Paradise lost were amazing when they played there early stuff. The singer was right on it that day as not always the case. Gojira were excellent with lots of pyro????. Mastodon probably were rather good but I was getting really bad stomach pain so did not enjoy the Mastodon too much.? Only stayed one day as me and heavily pregnant wife did not fancy making a weekend of it plus at mid thirties at time felt we were a bit old ?as we've stayed all weekend before. 

I agree with what Parker said reign in blood by slayer is one of best for this category. My best mate would play this at the pub and people would not like the song and get really angry saying loudly  who fuck  put this on ?  also seasons  In the abyss by slayer to album is also an amazing song. Very catchy and fast but not as fast as reign in blood era songs. Anybody would like this song right. Even my mum. Erm probably not. Last time I played slayer whilst driving back from family event my mum said even though the music is drivers choice she wanted to take over driving as the music was too extreme for her ?

also the following I love but not the most famous closer but  really good and more people should listen to them from slows latest album datalion the more easy going elegie is great as after the whole album crushing you with monumental heaviness  and generally quite sad funeral doom metal to finish on a cinematic style acoustic orchestral track is great.