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  1. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from Athame in What Are You Listening To?   
    YES The Art of Drowning is excellent as well. They were so prolific from around 1997-2003. I love everything they did during that time before Interscope got ahold of them. Even their b-sides were incredible. That stuff is some of the most unique sounding music I've ever heard. 
  2. Horns
    Depraved gave a Damn to Athame in What Are You Listening To?   
    Hell yes amazing album, nice to see AFI getting some love, my top stuff back in the days!! The Art of Drowning is amazing too, love listening their sound
    Np: Nile - Worship The Animal
  3. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from LocalRadical56 in Why so few all female metal bands?   
    Pretty sure we've had this discussion in a couple of threads on here before. Interesting topic, though.
    Being female, I can tell you that it's extremely difficult to find other women who like metal (but I've always lived in the southern tier of the US, so I would imagine they might be easier to find elsewhere). Sure, there are certainly women who like metal, but we comprise such a small percentage of what is a massively male-dominated genre. I've never met another female metal fan "in the wild". When I go to concerts, the crowd is usually around 90% male. That number rises even more overwhelmingly with more extreme genres (black and death metal especially, in my experience). When I saw 1349 right before the pandemic, I recall seeing maybe 5 other women in the crowd (of about 300) other than myself. I've been to smaller shows where I was the only woman there.
    But back to your question: no, I don't think metal is sexist, nor do I think it ever was (in general). There are bands who have expressed or at least alluded to having sexist opinions but as far as I know, they were always more the exception than the rule. Personally, I've never experienced any direct sexism from anyone at shows; in fact, many of the guys I've met whether they're band members or fans always seem both a little surprised and also happy that I've rescued them from a complete sausage fest lol. The rest seemed indifferent. I always go to shows alone and I've never been treated with anything other than respect despite looking very young and being very petite. I actually tend to feel safer at shows than in other random situations in public despite being surrounded by strange men. I've gotten followed, catcalled, harassed, threatened, and verbally attacked by dudes in ordinary places like the grocery store. That's never happened to me at a metal concert. The worst that's happened is I sometimes get stared at/gawked at, which can be very unnerving, mainly because I have no idea if they're planning to steal my wallet later.
    Anyway, back to female metal bands. I think @blaaacdoommmmfan is somewhat correct, but only to a certain degree. You'll definitely find less female metal fans than female pop fans. But part of it I think is also because female metal fans tend to be more socially isolated, I think. For example, let's say there's a female guitarist who wants to join or start a metal band. She might have a guy friend who's into metal who also wants to start a band, but he probably knows several other men who have expressed an interest in starting a band together and have possibly jammed together, who might all be friends or have known each other for a long time, are probably closer and may already have really good chemistry. The woman, on the other hand, is highly unlikely to have enough female friends who are into the same music she is, are musicians themselves, and are interested in starting a band. It's unfortunate and sad, but that's reality.    
    Social conditioning is also a factor, for sure. Parents are more likely to enroll their daughter in piano, violin or voice lessons if she's interested in music, whereas boys seem to get to choose whatever instrument interests them. If they like any kind of rock music, that's probably going to be guitar or drums. I remember when I was a kid, I knew many girls at school who took music lessons. Only 2 of them were taking guitar lessons. One of them was a huge country fan. The other was into classic rock and her dad was a guitarist himself. The rest were overwhelmingly students of voice or piano. A few played flute, clarinet, or violin. As for boys I knew who were taking music lessons? Most of them were learning guitar. So it seems to kind of be this idea, perhaps, that many parents have, that certain instruments are more appropriate for girls to learn, and their interest is probably encouraged by music genres besides rock. Think about it. The rare instance you see a metal band with a female member, what music are they playing? If the band has a keyboard, that's usually what she's playing. Or she's the vocalist (in certain genres). If it's a folk metal band, there might be a woman playing the fiddle or another traditional instrument.
    When I was in elementary (primary) school, my parents wanted me to learn piano. They strongly encouraged this by taking me to see classical pianists at the performing arts center, forcing me to get involved with our church community and the music director letting me play during services. That's mainly what I played - hymns. Later, I was allowed to take voice lessons, but it was sort of the same thing. I got to take voice lessons so I could sing in the choir at church. They encouraged the interest in music only through classical music, opera, and church music, despite what my own music interests were. Meanwhile, my male cousins got guitars for Christmas or for their birthday as soon as they expressed any interest in playing. I remember telling my mom when I was about 14 I didn't want to play piano anymore and I wanted to take guitar lessons instead, and she said something like "But I want you to continue with piano! You play so well! It makes you sophisticated!" I haven't gone near a piano in years and I can't remember much except the basics, although I would eventually like to start playing again, but for completely different reasons. I only sing in the shower or sometimes when I'm listening to Skid Row or Queensryche while cooking dinner (Sebastian Bach and Geoff Tate are very fun to imitate). Never got to take guitar lessons. I've been trying to teach myself, but it keeps getting derailed. 
    Sorry, this is turning into a long tangent, but maybe it can shed some light on your question. I think there are a few different factors that contribute to the lack of all-female metal bands, but I don't believe sexism is one of them. I certainly don't think metal is innately sexist.   
  4. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from Athame in What Are You Listening To?   
    AFI - Black Sails in the Sunset
    This album was the gateway drug for me to get into heavier music, now well over half a lifetime ago. Prior to, I had no real interest in music, being just a clueless little pre-teen girl that listened to whatever the other girls at school were listening to or whatever was on the radio. First time I heard it I was done for, there was no going back haha. I still love the hell out of this record. Absolute top-notch Misfits-inspired pissed off melodic hardcore. I still experience such a cathartic rush when I listen to it.
  5. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from Balor in Books?   
    Yes! It's a very shocking and eye-opening read, especially for me (since I'm an American...) and many of the things the government tried to lead us to believe post 9/11 were exaggerated or fabricated or half-truths, trying to justify their involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan and "the war on terror". I actually got to interview the author for my thesis via Twitter and Skype, which was awesome. At the time I remember him talking about a new book he was working on called Portable Happiness but to my knowledge it hasn't been published yet. I know that there have to be a lot of legal proceedings and such so that his work can be published. Guantanamo Diary was only allowed to be published if a lot of information about the US government and certain conditions at the prison were omitted because it's evidence of the US violating international human rights law (which for some reason they're allowed to do, just shows you how corrupt this country is and how money and power can let them side step the law when other, smaller or poorer countries would be punished), so you end up flipping through pages upon pages of redactions with footnotes from the guy who helped him publish it explaining what information was likely redacted since he'd done a ton of research about Guantanamo and the justice system.
    It always amuses me that I'm pretty much completely alone, I've never really had any friends and average people always accuse me of being "boring", yet I've gotten to meet and/or have conversations with several famous people and public figures over the years lol.
  6. Horns
    Depraved gave a Damn to FatherAlabaster in What Are You Listening To?   
    Death - Symbolic
  7. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from blaaacdoommmmfan in Books?   
    Yes! It's a very shocking and eye-opening read, especially for me (since I'm an American...) and many of the things the government tried to lead us to believe post 9/11 were exaggerated or fabricated or half-truths, trying to justify their involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan and "the war on terror". I actually got to interview the author for my thesis via Twitter and Skype, which was awesome. At the time I remember him talking about a new book he was working on called Portable Happiness but to my knowledge it hasn't been published yet. I know that there have to be a lot of legal proceedings and such so that his work can be published. Guantanamo Diary was only allowed to be published if a lot of information about the US government and certain conditions at the prison were omitted because it's evidence of the US violating international human rights law (which for some reason they're allowed to do, just shows you how corrupt this country is and how money and power can let them side step the law when other, smaller or poorer countries would be punished), so you end up flipping through pages upon pages of redactions with footnotes from the guy who helped him publish it explaining what information was likely redacted since he'd done a ton of research about Guantanamo and the justice system.
    It always amuses me that I'm pretty much completely alone, I've never really had any friends and average people always accuse me of being "boring", yet I've gotten to meet and/or have conversations with several famous people and public figures over the years lol.
  8. Horns
    Depraved gave a Damn to Thrashman in What Are You Listening To?   
    Slayer - Hell Awaits
  9. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from Balor in Books?   
    Thanks, I'm really not sure where I'm going to start, I want to read all of them at once because they all sound so interesting but that would be impossible lol. I really need to finish the books I'm reading now first, honestly. I have a really bad habit of starting books but hardly ever finishing them. The last book I read all the way through for the first time was Guantanamo Diary  for a university seminar back in 2017 (which is excellent, by the way).
  10. Haha
    Depraved given a Damn from blaaacdoommmmfan in Books?   
    Thanks, I'm really not sure where I'm going to start, I want to read all of them at once because they all sound so interesting but that would be impossible lol. I really need to finish the books I'm reading now first, honestly. I have a really bad habit of starting books but hardly ever finishing them. The last book I read all the way through for the first time was Guantanamo Diary  for a university seminar back in 2017 (which is excellent, by the way).
  11. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from Balor in Books?   
    I have a list of books I've been wanting to read for years but never seem to get around to actually reading them. Trying to change that though. Currently have 3 going at the moment:
    Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
    From Gabriel to Lucifer: A Cultural History of Angels (nonfiction) by Valery Rees
    Mossflower by Brian Jacques (childhood favorite but kind of lackluster rereading it as an adult, oh well)
    Also on the shelf but haven't started reading yet:
    No Exit by Jean-Paul Sartre
    The Myth of Sisyphus by Albert Camus
    Lucifer by Joost van den Vondel
    Frankenstein by Mary Shelley
    The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings trilogy (yeah, yeah can't believe I've never read them, I grew up with the films, which I think are great adaptations despite never reading the original source material)
    I have the Book of Enoch as a PDF somewhere...
    To acquire:
    Nausea and The Age of Reason by Jean-Paul Sartre
    Dracula by Bram Stoker
    The Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka
    The Hunchback of Notre Dame by Victor Hugo
    The Phantom of the Opera by Gaston Leroux
    The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde by Robert Louis Stevenson 
    The Call of Cthulhu by H.P. Lovecraft
    The Idiot and Notes from Underground by Fyodor Dostoyevsky 
    The Legend of Sleepy Hollow by Washington Irving
    Paradise Lost by John Milton (have read Part I but want to read the entire work)
    The VALIS trilogy by Philip K. Dick
    "The Masque of Pandora" by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow and "The Waste Land" by T.S. Eliot 
  12. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from H34VYM3T4LD4V3 in Why so few all female metal bands?   
    Pretty sure we've had this discussion in a couple of threads on here before. Interesting topic, though.
    Being female, I can tell you that it's extremely difficult to find other women who like metal (but I've always lived in the southern tier of the US, so I would imagine they might be easier to find elsewhere). Sure, there are certainly women who like metal, but we comprise such a small percentage of what is a massively male-dominated genre. I've never met another female metal fan "in the wild". When I go to concerts, the crowd is usually around 90% male. That number rises even more overwhelmingly with more extreme genres (black and death metal especially, in my experience). When I saw 1349 right before the pandemic, I recall seeing maybe 5 other women in the crowd (of about 300) other than myself. I've been to smaller shows where I was the only woman there.
    But back to your question: no, I don't think metal is sexist, nor do I think it ever was (in general). There are bands who have expressed or at least alluded to having sexist opinions but as far as I know, they were always more the exception than the rule. Personally, I've never experienced any direct sexism from anyone at shows; in fact, many of the guys I've met whether they're band members or fans always seem both a little surprised and also happy that I've rescued them from a complete sausage fest lol. The rest seemed indifferent. I always go to shows alone and I've never been treated with anything other than respect despite looking very young and being very petite. I actually tend to feel safer at shows than in other random situations in public despite being surrounded by strange men. I've gotten followed, catcalled, harassed, threatened, and verbally attacked by dudes in ordinary places like the grocery store. That's never happened to me at a metal concert. The worst that's happened is I sometimes get stared at/gawked at, which can be very unnerving, mainly because I have no idea if they're planning to steal my wallet later.
    Anyway, back to female metal bands. I think @blaaacdoommmmfan is somewhat correct, but only to a certain degree. You'll definitely find less female metal fans than female pop fans. But part of it I think is also because female metal fans tend to be more socially isolated, I think. For example, let's say there's a female guitarist who wants to join or start a metal band. She might have a guy friend who's into metal who also wants to start a band, but he probably knows several other men who have expressed an interest in starting a band together and have possibly jammed together, who might all be friends or have known each other for a long time, are probably closer and may already have really good chemistry. The woman, on the other hand, is highly unlikely to have enough female friends who are into the same music she is, are musicians themselves, and are interested in starting a band. It's unfortunate and sad, but that's reality.    
    Social conditioning is also a factor, for sure. Parents are more likely to enroll their daughter in piano, violin or voice lessons if she's interested in music, whereas boys seem to get to choose whatever instrument interests them. If they like any kind of rock music, that's probably going to be guitar or drums. I remember when I was a kid, I knew many girls at school who took music lessons. Only 2 of them were taking guitar lessons. One of them was a huge country fan. The other was into classic rock and her dad was a guitarist himself. The rest were overwhelmingly students of voice or piano. A few played flute, clarinet, or violin. As for boys I knew who were taking music lessons? Most of them were learning guitar. So it seems to kind of be this idea, perhaps, that many parents have, that certain instruments are more appropriate for girls to learn, and their interest is probably encouraged by music genres besides rock. Think about it. The rare instance you see a metal band with a female member, what music are they playing? If the band has a keyboard, that's usually what she's playing. Or she's the vocalist (in certain genres). If it's a folk metal band, there might be a woman playing the fiddle or another traditional instrument.
    When I was in elementary (primary) school, my parents wanted me to learn piano. They strongly encouraged this by taking me to see classical pianists at the performing arts center, forcing me to get involved with our church community and the music director letting me play during services. That's mainly what I played - hymns. Later, I was allowed to take voice lessons, but it was sort of the same thing. I got to take voice lessons so I could sing in the choir at church. They encouraged the interest in music only through classical music, opera, and church music, despite what my own music interests were. Meanwhile, my male cousins got guitars for Christmas or for their birthday as soon as they expressed any interest in playing. I remember telling my mom when I was about 14 I didn't want to play piano anymore and I wanted to take guitar lessons instead, and she said something like "But I want you to continue with piano! You play so well! It makes you sophisticated!" I haven't gone near a piano in years and I can't remember much except the basics, although I would eventually like to start playing again, but for completely different reasons. I only sing in the shower or sometimes when I'm listening to Skid Row or Queensryche while cooking dinner (Sebastian Bach and Geoff Tate are very fun to imitate). Never got to take guitar lessons. I've been trying to teach myself, but it keeps getting derailed. 
    Sorry, this is turning into a long tangent, but maybe it can shed some light on your question. I think there are a few different factors that contribute to the lack of all-female metal bands, but I don't believe sexism is one of them. I certainly don't think metal is innately sexist.   
  13. Horns
    Depraved gave a Damn to FatherAlabaster in What Are You Listening To?   
    Queensryche - The Warning
  14. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from Balor in What Are You Listening To?   
    Mgla - Exercises in Futility
  15. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from Natassja in What Are You Listening To?   
    Fields of the Nephilim - The Nephilim
  16. Horns
    Depraved gave a Damn to FatherAlabaster in What Are You Listening To?   
    Man I used to love these guys. I can't find my copy of Dawnrazor but I still have The Nephilim and Elizium. Used to go to sleep to Elizium an awful lot. Their rhythm section was tight as fuck, doesn't get enough credit.
  17. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from FatherAlabaster in What Are You Listening To?   
    Fields of the Nephilim - The Nephilim
  18. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from Requiem in What Are You Listening To?   
    Paradise Lost - Shades of God
  19. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from Thrashman in What Are You Listening To?   
    Slayer - Show No Mercy
  20. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from Innominate in What Are You Listening To?   
    Slayer - Show No Mercy
  21. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from MacabreEternal in What Are You Listening To?   
    Slayer - Show No Mercy
  22. Horns
    Depraved gave a Damn to Innominate in What Are You Listening To?   
    Gorgoroth - Antichrist
  23. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from salmonellapancake in What Are You Listening To?   
    Sargeist - Let the Devil In
  24. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from MacabreEternal in What Are You Listening To?   
    Sargeist - Let the Devil In
  25. Horns
    Depraved given a Damn from Requiem in What Are You Listening To?   
    Sleepless night with these
    Katatonia - Jhva Elohim Meth 
    Mgla - Mdlosci
    Mgla - Further Down the Nest
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