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Nuclear Assault - Game Over (1986)

Dissection - Storm of the Light’s Bane

Got it. Loved it. Got the T-shirt. Well, no T-shirt actually... IMPERIUM DEKADENZ - When We Are Forgotten LUXURIA - Unanswerable Lust. 'I simply may be evil, I simply may be evil.' And, of course, IMPERIAL TRIUMPHANT - Spirit of Ecstasy. First listen - too long and - despite the fact that I know it would have been carefully planned and scored - muddy and amorphous. But it will probably grow on me.

My wife moved here from NZ in 2012 and she was absolutely horrified and appalled by overall how religious this country is and how these religious nuts have so easily been able to gain positions of authority and power in our local, state and federal governments and pass laws restricting people's rights based on their religious beliefs and 'morality.' We only have two main political parties here in the archaic 250 year old system of government we have here in the states and one of them got into bed with the religious fanatics decades ago because being greatly outnumbered by the followers of the other party they knew they'd need their votes to win future elections. Now 30 - 40 years later that party has been basically hijacacked by the religious right and they've stacked the courts in their favor and they obstruct everything they possibly can in Congress and they've been able to enact some insane draconian laws to impose their will on the public for things most people are not in favor of. What gives them the right to restrict the rest of our rights? They've also been very persistent over the years in their attempts to get their "creationism" nonsense taught in the schools side by side with evolution which is actual science. And as the parent of an 8 year old that makes me so mad I can't even put it into words. They even put their religious crap right on all of our money "in god we trust" and the phrase "one nation under god" is in the pledge of allegiance they make all the kids in school recite each morning with their little hands over their little hearts, it's fucking nuts. I honestly don't care what people want to do in private, but when this religious insanity based on bronze age fairy stories infiltrates our government and our education system then it impacts me and my family and I won't stand for it.

I don't know about you man, but while that Youngstown woman in the article was probably an extreme case, it still seems to me that all truly religious people are clearly a little off, and should probably be found incompetent in legal proceedings. I don't think they're all waiting under my bed to get me, and I know they're not all stark raving lunatics, but it seems fairly obvious to me that just by being so religious they're not capable of thinking clearly and rationally. I don't necessarily mean all the sheep who maybe pop into a house of worship on their sabbath every now and then, and maybe they like to celebrate some of their culture's traditional relgious holidays or they might even like to say a little prayer now and then when facing some adversity because they've been taught that's just what they're supposed to do, but then they basically ignore their religion all the rest of the time. Those aren't the ones I'm worried about. I'm talking about the truly religious people who really buy hard into this shit and let it govern every aspect and decision of their lives. I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw them. I do my best to stay away from them, and I believe strongly that they need to be rooted out from positions of authority and power and certainly from our government and public schools. I should not have to tolerate other people making decisions that affect me based on their religious beliefs no matter what they might be. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Nordic mythology, Wiccans, whatever else is out there, they're all equally nutty. I understand that our US constitution grants us all freedom of religion and that's fine, that's really none of my business what others choose to believe. As long as they leave me alone and keep it to themselves we're all cool. But when someone's religious beliefs impact either my or my family's lives then I have a huge fucking problem with that. And you should too.

People in the Etihad Airlines Lounge at Heathrow Airport listening to the new Witchery album = 1.

I can hear that. At least its not dungeon synth. Now that I look at it the art doesn't seem to go with the music. This could easily be an uber low-fi raw black metal and I would be less surprised. I think we take for granted the degree to which art communicates and shapes metal genres. I 100% initially judge whether to check out an album based on the art, and probably 90% of the time get the genre more or less right from the first glance. So many visual and stylistic conventions get communicated to the point for many of us its probably sub-conscious. A picture, as they say, is worth 1000 goats.

Scarcity - Aveilut ...Brendon Randall-Myers of the Glenn Branca Ensemble and Doug from Pyrrhon with an artsy post-black recording. I think this has Thatguy's name encoded in it somewhere. Jute Gyte - Discontinuities ...in the spirit of things.

i was a newborn when it happened so i was kinda just sat there mr whippy ice cream shitting in my nappy whilst the church did its jazz. when i got a bit older, around 5 to 6 years old my nan made me go to church with her, i sorta just sat there, my intrest was more in the little bars of cheese the nice old ladies would bring for all the kids at sunday school. then i started arsing around a bit, once i got asked "when should a child attend a funeral" at sunday school and i said "when they are dead"....i genuinely didnt think about the question- everyone was talking about forgiveness whilst i was positioning two mini mannequins in the back storage room to look like they were wanking each other off. i would show upto church in an AC DC t shirt at about 9 years old. at this point i was here for fun, i never looked into it but at 11 i read the bible and tried to be an actual christian. much like your first girlfriend, my relationship with god lasted a week and seriously fizzled out towards the end. lets just say, god left his underwear on the bathroom floor way way too much. it didnt work out. he was a more stairway to heaven kinda guy. i was highway to hell.

Master - s/t (1990)

Cadaveric Incubator - Nightmare Necropolis

Really sorry to hear that FA, that’s definitely the hardest decision any pet owner faces. At least you’re new feline friend has a loving home.

I laugh when people get all uppity about bands 'selling out'. (small things amuse small minds obviously)

Sorry, we haven`t, but you must take my oversized gratitude for make me know about this! It will be there soon, I think.

We wanted to make a decent living from playing music which is a thing we love doing. I fail to see a problem. Don't like them, don't listen to them.

finnish black metal is where it's at. here's a link to their second album, der todes king. also check their self titled e.p. another really good release of their's.

DECOMP - Condemned To Earth

Kitchen chair at the moment, but point fairly made! Nekromantheon - Rise Vulcan Spectre

Nekrokrist SS - Suicide, got this one from Serpentboi's post in the alphabetical band names thread. This is KILLER SHIT!! ☠️ I'm gonna need their whole catlog, or at least the 3 full lengths because I'll never track down all these spilts.

Grave - Endless Procession of Souls, 2012 Incantation - Vanquish In Vengeance 2012

Sentenced - Shadows of the Past

Demigod - Slumber of Sullen Eyes Funebre - Children of the Scorn

There is something to be said for what you hear first. Once you've developed a connection with something it's hard to not see it as the better thing. I've noticed that as well and it's hard to go against that bias you've formed even when you're conscious that you're doing it. Seems maybe we could be defining certain words like "extreme" "brutal" "filthy" and "memorable" slighly differently. It's like we're saying we like and want mostly the same things, but then we gravitate toward entirely different bands. Cannibal Corpse, Suffocation, Deicide and Cryptopsy have never been among my favorite death metal bands. Other than maybe a little Suffocation every now and then I don't really listen to any of those others at all. Main reason I guess is that I don't find their music memorable. I've known people who love these bands, and others who don't really listen to them either. I could be missing something because I haven't studied all their albums in depth, but I have to think what sets them apart is blinding speed. They're all what I think of as blasty bands. Like Hate Eternal. Some people think of all that pummeling blastiness as "extreme" and "brutal" and get quite pumped up when even just talking about it. While others of us aren't nearly as fond of it. I can respect those bands' playing ability and all but I haven't found most of the albums I've heard from those kinds of blasty bands to be particularly memorable or interesting. To me they're just blasty. And that bores me. Cryptopsy moreso than those other 3 is also quite chaotic. Which could make for some memorable songs I guess, but chaotic doesn't work for me. I listen to 0 death metal bands that get described as chaotic. So even though I do own None So Vile I haven't listened to it in many years. I don't believe that when you slow the bpm down a little that necessarily has to take away from the heaviness. It can sometimes I suppose, but it doesn't have to. And for sure some of the death metal I do listen to can get pretty fast like that at times, but not generally as a rule. There does seem to be an entire cohort of death metal fans out there who have some level of disdain for the more midpaced stuff. I've definitely seen the word 'midpaced' used pejoritavely. Some people don't find midpaced metal as extreme or brutal, they think it sounds lame and weak and boring and accuse it of chugging along "in the comfort zone." Some people feel that metal played at a faster tempo is always going to be objectively better and heavier than midpaced metal. I disagree of course, but seems to me that's really a matter of taste more than anything. You mention you're surprised at how melodic some of the music I listen to can be. As far as melody goes I'll assume that's the black metal you're talking about. I do listen to a lot of what's considered melodic black metal. I do really like melody. A lot. Just don't like a lot of vocal melody, I want the melody to be provided by the guitars. I like melodic black metal to have really raw throat-shredding vocals. And it's usually pretty fast. It's the combination of melody and viciousness that makes that music so attractive to me. But I also listen to a lot of black metal that's not all that melodic. I like a lot of different kinds of black metal. Not all black metal is outstanding, some of it's shit. But nothing on this earth is better to me than the best black metal. You mention Autopsy as sounding filthy like an 'open sewer' and I think we can probably agree that Autopsy are the grandfathers of filthy death metal. I do have their first 2 albums as well as Macabre Eternal in my rotation. Other Autopsy albums get played less. Thing is for me, filthy death metal also needs to have an evil component. I don't think that even enters into the equation for you. Modern day filthy death metal typically sounds more evil than those early Autopsy albums and so I like that better. But still I will concede that most of the filthy death metal I hear these days certainly owes at least some small debt to Autopsy. But I believe the Autopsy filth formula has definitely been much improved upon in more recent years. Because as much as I like them, I still think those first 2 albums' productions could have been a lot beefier. That's total blasphemy to some I'm sure, but that's how I feel. I always did think if there could have had a band that combined equal parts Autopsy with Obituary, that probably would have been my favorite early 90's American death metal band. But 90's American death metal can sit its ass down and take a back seat. When it comes to early 90's death I prefer to listen to the Finnish bands. I love them because they were raw and filthy. Finland is the 90's dm sweet spot for me. I don't listen to many of the Florida bands from that time period very much these days (except for Obituary who gets a decent amount of play around here, and of course early Death, and maybe a few other specific albums by Massacre and Brutality and Discarnate) as compared to the Finns and also the Dutch and the Swedes and the Swiss and other mostly northern European bands who are my 90's death metal bread and butter. So understand that when I'm talking about that whole period of early 90's death metal these are the sounds I have playing in my head, not Deicide or Cannibal or Morbid Angel. The early Finns generally speaking didn't have nearly as good production as the Swedes or of course all that Morrisound stuff from Tampa FLA, which is what I believe most people think of first when you say early 90's death metal. This could partly explain why we talk around in circles so much. When I say early 90's death metal production was often a bit thin and left a lot to be desired I'm talking about bands like Demigod and Depravity and Convulse and Crematory and Fester and Funebre not Cannibal or Deicide or even Dismember or Entombed and most of the Swedish bands who as you say got govt grants for the arts. No question that the Florida bands' albums generally sounded much better back then. No surprise either that the sub-mainstream 90's stuff you cited like Sepultura and Machine Head and White Zombie and SYL and Nevermore sounded even better still. I wish I liked some of those bands' music more than I do so I could get in on the fun with you but unfortunately I just don't. I used to like Nevermore quite a bit actually but I find the high pitched vocals keep me away these days. Warrel Dane was absolutely a fantastic and very talented singer, but that's not my thing these days. I really think that if some of those early Finnish death metal bands could have had better production they would have been much more widely known and appreciated. Much better and more memorable music afaic than most of that brutal blasty pummeling Florida stuff. But like I always say in the end it's really just all a matter of taste. I know it's late over there, nearly 3am and you work in an office so you're undoubtedly sleeping right now. But when you get to work and log on and see this I wanna say thanks dude for all the in-depth convo last night. I know it might seem to some like we're arguing, but I don't think we are, I look at this as an interesting discussion. I enjoyed this chance to go deeper into some of these subjects that most people don't have the interest for nor the desire to type all these paragraphs. I even typed this one out for the last 2 hours entirely with my thumbs on my phone which is now down just under 50% so I guess I'll throw it on the charger now and go downstairs and make my 1pm 'morning' coffee.

Look behind the couch. If you're looking for something it's often behind the couch, especially if you have cats.

It impacts my life like the weather, forces beyond my control. Politicians also use non-religious fictions to harness power. Religious or non-religious if a politician is involved it is bad.